How Cocerned are You over Outfitters/Guides

Outfitters in general are not a problem to me. Yet!

The outfitter who operates where I bear hunt is a different story. I had harsh words with him a few years ago but its all cleared up now.

I knew I was right (he should #### off) and I gave home lots of motivation to see it my way, and he did. Case closed.
 
sjemac said:
Did you have permission to be there? If so, you got there first and shouldn't have to move.

If you didn't have permission then he was REALLY nice to you.
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If you had the right to be there, it was nice of you to move...
If you didn't, well a better outcome I couldn't imagine, then the guy setting you up in another field.:)
 
Regardless of the APOS guidelines etc, there are still too many "tailgate" outfitters in Alberta.

Crown land is for everyone. Yes, you can set your tent up 500yds from an outfitters camp if you wish. If you do, then you are the problem.

If a guide/outfitter is accessing private land without permission, the CO and APOS should be told about it. It is the only real recourse you have.

A real outfitter will have documentation on him that clearly shows which private land or crown land is has access to. It is not exclusive access though and you as a hunter can hunt the same crown land if you wish. If you get permission to hunt the private land too, so be it.

Your "secret" spot on crown land is not yours. Nor is it mine. First come, first hunt.

Frankly, I don't want to see another hunter when I'm out, so I tend to fly-in only. And I tend to hunt private land. But that's just me.
 
One problem in Ontario is BMA's Bear Management Areas. Some outfitters are under the false impression that it gives them exclusive access to the crown land.

Not so. It only protects them from other outfitters moving in.
 
no one has exclusive access unless you own the land.

I treat everyone I meet in the bush with the same respect, and I've never had someone tell me I can't hunt there.

Now some of the "recreational" ATV users piss me off tearing up every trail and churning up every little low spot on the trail into a huge mudhole. Recreation to you may be to get all muddy and cold but I'm trying to hunt and need to travel from place to place without getting stuck or make a new trail every few hundred yards to get around your mess. :mad:
 
'Boo said:
No. I would also hunt the East and West shores as well.

Guides have the rights to GUIDE in an area. They don't possess the ownership of the animals in their areas. They also do not possess the right to restrict access to resident hunters.

Here in BC this is a sore subject as the guides are pushing for higher and higher quotas while lobbying for the resident harvest to be lowered. I personally would never let a guide stand between me and an area I wanted to hunt and have had a few "discussions" in the past with guides who think they own crown land.
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I hunted in area west of Fort Nelson here in BC years ago. There was a large outfitter that had quite a good area on crown land. He would buzz hunters and chase off game with his private plane.

He also took his back hoe and dug trenches across the old roads into his area. Fish and wildlife was aware of this but did nothing to make him stop. In fact on one hunt in the middle of nowhere a fish and wildlife officer popped out of the bush to check our tags etc. Guess how he got there, the outfitter flew him in???

I personally have no use for outfitters, just selling our animals to the rich.
 
gth said:
One problem in Ontario is BMA's Bear Management Areas. Some outfitters are under the false impression that it gives them exclusive access to the crown land.

Not so. It only protects them from other outfitters moving in.
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I bet they know better, pretty common for them to make teh treat though.

Truth be said, it is effective. An arsehole moose guide in my area will always challenge you and claim he has sole right to the area. He knows better and so do the hunters he challenges, but the truth is: a lot of guys don't think it is worth it and avoid the area so they don't have to deal with him. Nobody likes to admit it, but I bet many feel that way
 
mooncoon said:
I came away from the convention wondering what was the point of the BCWF and fish and game clubs in general spending time and money on conservation projects. The current government in particular has banned hunting on major portions of the coast and is in the process of giving exclusive hunting rights for the whole province, to the natives. Combine that with the Haidas (Queen Charlotte Is) campaigning to ban all bear hunting, one is left with the question of what is the point of protecting resources that we cannot use.

cheers mooncoon
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mooncoon, with all the BC hunters that are in CGN, I just can not understand why nobody (except us) have commented on this extremely important subject, or even taking it seriously. I know how you feel about getting discouraged.
 
This is the issue here. It essentially blocks all hunters, but allows outfitters to fly in to their outpost lakes without being bothered...You can walk, but it would be a hell of a long walk back out carrying a bull moose...


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I hunted in area west of Fort Nelson here in BC years ago. There was a large outfitter that had quite a good area on crown land. He would buzz hunters and chase off game with his private plane.
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I would report this person to Transport Canada.They take a very dim view of people buzzing other people or otherwise acting recklessly with aircraft.
 
blargon said:
This is the issue here. It essentially blocks all hunters, but allows outfitters to fly in to their outpost lakes without being bothered...You can walk, but it would be a hell of a long walk back out carrying a bull moose...


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There's something like that and a dugout on a old logging road near my camp. Says motorized vehicle, something of a fine of up to $500. I hunt back there sometimes, logging road contines to go for 25km and has a dugout every 1-2km. I have a little mountain bike and a backpack. I shot a deer back there 3years ago, hung it overnight and took the quarters out one at a time on the bike. Gravel roads are easy to travel, the dugouts are only 15m wide or so. Fairly easy going and only seen 3 different guys, once each over 3 years back there.
 
gth said:
Tear these signs down and s**t on them.
The MNR's job is to provide access to MORE hunting areas, not less.

I have never seen a sign like this in person but the day I do.............
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Have you read the Public Lands Act? Basically it tells the public to f**k off and buy your own land...
 
rboomsma said:
I hunted in area west of Fort Nelson here in BC years ago. There was a large outfitter that had quite a good area on crown land. He would buzz hunters and chase off game with his private plane.
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Chances are if he was doing that he was also using his airplane to scout for game. This is generally illegal and he could have been reported for that.
 
Jimbobob08 said:
There's something like that and a dugout on a old logging road near my camp. Says motorized vehicle, something of a fine of up to $500. I hunt back there sometimes, logging road contines to go for 25km and has a dugout every 1-2km. I have a little mountain bike and a backpack. I shot a deer back there 3years ago, hung it overnight and took the quarters out one at a time on the bike. Gravel roads are easy to travel, the dugouts are only 15m wide or so. Fairly easy going and only seen 3 different guys, once each over 3 years back there.
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bicycle and a small bike trailer , good enough to take a deer out in one shot , or a moose a quarter at a time, and a lot of huffing and puffing;)
 
Well most of you know how much I "like" outfitters in general. But suffice it to say ,if I came across one whilst hunting and got harassed etc.... I'd just simply ask him for the legal "proof" that he owned the land , or otherwise had exclusive access to it , and if he didn't i'd tell him to go P@ss up a rope , and continue on my merry way.
 
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