How Cocerned are You over Outfitters/Guides

Natives

H4831 said:
At least in BC, you better be far more concerned about the native hunting.
A lawyer who often represents natives, spoke at the recent annual meeting of the BC Wildlife Federation. His bottom line was that the future of hunting for non natives did not look good.
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H4831 I've been warning fellow BC hunters about this for years,but no one wants to hear it.Once Campbell signs his deal with the natives they will have exclusive use of all BC's fish and wildlife,to do with as they please.They will also have access control on all Crown Land.You might be able to buy a doe tag from them but you better believe that a buck tag will go for big dollars,mostly to Americans.The people of BC will be strangers in their own land ,with no rights at all but still footing the bill.All I can say is that it better not happen while I'm alive. Mur
 
Guides and outfitters as well as fishing guides seem tyo have a lot of political clout. I'm not going to point fingers but I am going to blame us fishing and hunting people for not being vocal enough and not supporting the groups and people who are.

Grijim
 
Almost every year the ranchers organization in Manitoba brings forward a resolution that the government allow lessees of Crown Land to have full control of access. To date it has never passed, thank God, or there would be no place to hunt outside of boreal forest country.
Why do they want this? They say mostly because people leave gates open. Without doubt this is a problem. However the fact is that some of them want their own "private" hunting preserves and some of those want to run outfitting operations therein at the expense of freelance hunters. I have had a couple of run-ins with locals who felt that the grazing leases constituted "their land". ("It's OUR land. I don't want you in there!")
Some have taken to chaining and padlocking gates to crown land. I have checked it out with the CO's and grazing lessees have no legal right to restrict access to a crown lease area, at least in Manitoba.
Of course by no means do all ranchers take this position and many are generous and co-operative about public access even to their titled land but there are some who are meaner than junkyard dogs.
I do wish that CO's would provide more proactive support to us resident hunters. I hunt alone a lot and feel kind of exposed in such a situation so mostly I just go elsewhere to hunt.
 
Over here outfitters all seem to have exclusive access to any given piece of land .... In the case where multiple outfitters operate in the same area there is usually an unwritten agreement in place that determine where one outfitter's guides will and will not bring clients to .... The clients usually doesn't know/need to know the details of any such arrangement, they just follow the guides ...
 
its b.s. paying farmers for permission to guide wait till it ends up like the states were you have to lease land, luckily i have a good friend with 1000 acres of prime land and he is pretty selective on who he lets hunt there
 
Jimbobob08 said:
There's something like that and a dugout on a old logging road near my camp. Says motorized vehicle, something of a fine of up to $500. I hunt back there sometimes, logging road contines to go for 25km and has a dugout every 1-2km. I have a little mountain bike and a backpack. I shot a deer back there 3years ago, hung it overnight and took the quarters out one at a time on the bike. Gravel roads are easy to travel, the dugouts are only 15m wide or so. Fairly easy going and only seen 3 different guys, once each over 3 years back there.
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It is illegal to use any atv on any crown land in Newfoundland. They will confiscate your atv and your fine will be close to its value. There has to be 2 inches (I think) of frost before you can travel on an atv or snowmobile. Wilderness reserves are completely off limits no matter what.
 
I think it boils down to hunting etiquette you shouldn't encroach where you can possibly affect anothers hunt whether it is a guide or not it really shouldn't matter. As far as the guide telling you that you cannot hunt a certain peice of land. unless it is private land I don't think they have the right and they should be courtious of your presence and move on themselves.
 
blargon said:
The Ontario MNR has set restrictions on certain areas/lakes/roads in the north, to allow Outfitters exclusive access.

While I have no problem with a guy guiding and outfitting to make a living, I don't think they should have sole rights to hunting areas. Make them work at it like the rest of us...
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:agree:100% Nobody , guides or otherwise should be given exclusive rights to harvest in a given area.:mad: We are all taxpayers and license buyers in this land of ours.
 
The guy I hunted bear with last year was new to the guiding business. He knew I was having trouble getting bears into my stand, so he let me sit on one of his for a week, as long as I ran the bait myself. So, he wasn't really guiding me, but he let me use his stand.

When we got to the stand, he told me that someone had stolen the ladder from the stand, and even taken the "gun rope."

Well, a couple days later, I was walking the trail into the stand and lo and behold, ANOTHER guide-type fella comes along behind me in a pickup and starts asking me what I was up to, in a pretty unfriendly fashion.

I told him I was hunting bears, and he remarked that I must be pretty close to his spot. I said I hadn't built the stand and I didn't know. He went on in his unfriendly fashion, so I waited for him to finish. Then I smiled, asked him if he'd seen anyone driving around with a stolen ladder in their pickup, shifted my SKS in its sling, and went on my merry way. He seemed to look pretty hard at the SKS. ;)

I never ran into him again, but someone else was using the same stand last fall for bow hunting and came in to find that some a$$hat had taken a chainsaw to the tree and cut almost all the way through - just enough to hurt a guy bad if the tree broke.

So I think this "turf war" has pretty much ruled that spot out. Too bad. It was a pretty good area - I saw 3 bears in 3 nights, and heard shooting in the woods up and down the river, too.

Maybe the guy I hunted with did encroach on the other fella, but that's no reason to try a sneak attack that could cripple someone. Take it out face to face. Nut up or shut up.

It irritates me enough that I'm tempted to bait the site myself next year, and lay in wait for two-legged visitors as well as four. I'd love to get some pictures of some a$$hat trying stuff like that. Some of the locals around here get pretty bent out of shape, especially for moose and bear seasons. I have no use for it. Crown land belongs to everyone. I hate bullying.
 
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One day the guiding thing will be really a concern for the average hunter Hunting Guides are doing nothing wrong people are letting them influence the rules .
When the average hunter is getting blocked from hunting areas and crown animals.
Don’t blame Guides for this. We need to stand up and stop Guiding and Hunting on
On Private lands these are not private animals they belong to everyone .If someone
Has a no hunting sign or Private land sign blocking Hunters by gating areas
Then there should be NO Hunting for anyone .I can respect this rule. But do this
Then allow Guided hunts and private hunts is B---ST and I will not respect this
We need to have our hunting groups fight this hard it’s going to be very hard to
Stop but if it’s not the average hunter is going to suffer for it and we will have it coming
For doing nothing about it and let the others win .
 
kick them all out or reduce their quotas, it only proves if you have money you can hunt what ever and when ever. Canadian residents in most cases still have to participate in a draw that is unless we have $$$$
 
Onegesius said:
kick them all out or reduce their quotas, it only proves if you have money you can hunt what ever and when ever. Canadian residents in most cases still have to participate in a draw that is unless we have $$$$
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+1 let the residents hunt and the leftover tags can be sold to american hunters. If they need a 'guide' they can hire a freelancer.
 
It strikes me as we are not all that far away from the situation they have in the States.
It may be illegal elsewhere as it is here, but, some do seem to acquire access to private property, thereby some of the leased lands also, in a very "improper manner".
It's tough to prove,I've heard landowners discussing what they got in a few instances
directly, and been told by their friends in some cases. Very quietly discussed in private only, but, these same people would love to be able to lockup Crown areas also.
Get the wrong politicians in, we'll be in our southern neighbors shoes.
Don't be afraid to let the politicians know, in very direct terms.
The BC situation may be the worst, the natives want to make money, and they are setting up to do it, BC needs politicians with some foresight, and some real backbone.
 
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