How difficult can trap really be?

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Trap is way to easy. First time I ever shot trap I ran 25. Took me around a year to do so in skeet, shooting 8 rounds a week. Plus trap is so antisocial ,any talking and the machine goes off. I cant wait till we get out 5 stand up and running, now that is a fun sport.
 
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Being a long time skeet shooter, and having shot less than ten rounds of trap in my life, none since last year, I did some gun trading, and ended up with a brand new Citori XT trap gun. I took it out this morning and shot it for the first time, the result being a 25. Of course that led to some teasing from the skeet shooters as to how easy trap must be if a beginner can shoot a clean round. I do intend to keep shooting both games, but in all honesty, I doubt that I will ever enjoy trap more than skeet.
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I'm thinking that that trap gun fits you perfectly, you better sell it and get a different one.
 
There is a way to learn trap it is a method, if you can hit good scores at skeet you will be ok. with the right system.
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Pants??? Seems to me I saw a thread on one of these forums that trap shooters wear overalls, drink Bud, fart and scratch.
 
You cannot compare the trap with skeet

stubblejumper said:
Being a long time skeet shooter, and having shot less than ten rounds of trap in my life, none since last year, I did some gun trading, and ended up with a brand new Citori XT trap gun. I took it out this morning and shot it for the first time, the result being a 25. Of course that led to some teasing from the skeet shooters as to how easy trap must be if a beginner can shoot a clean round. I do intend to keep shooting both games, but in all honesty, I doubt that I will ever enjoy trap more than skeet.
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Breaking 25 in ATA is not easy but it is not a major achievement either. North American trap is a shooting marathon and it happens quite often that there is a shoot off after 200 straight. You are comparing your trap shooting with the top champions only in the first 25 and not even under competition pressure.
If you want to challenge yourself with trapshooting, then try Olympic Trap that the world record is 149 (out of 150).
By the way I agree with you about enjoying the trapshooting. After 3 years of trapshooting and after I shot 75 straight I completely gave it up and I only shoot Olympic trap now.
 
alireza.aliabadi said:
If you want to challenge yourself with trapshooting, then try Olympic Trap that the world record is 149 (out of 150).
By the way I agree with you about enjoying the trapshooting. After 3 years of trapshooting and after I shot 75 straight I completely gave it up and I only shoot Olympic trap now.
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YES. I fully agree, I actually had a very similar conversion to bunker trap, shot ATA for 2 months and got 75 straight in practice, then switched to trench exclusively. Damned fine sport, it's a shame there are not more bunkers out there that people can try. I think in North America their rarity (because of the expense of putting them in) means most NA trapshooters don't really understand how different it is because they've never been exposed to it, and most tend to disbelieve bunker shooters who claim it is chess to checkers different (or F1 to go-kart, or what have you).

Another thing we've found at our club is that some ATA shooters will try trench for a couple rounds at most and then go back to the regular trap. It is tough for most people to grind out the learning curve on Olympic, it takes a much longer time to get decent scores going. And bunker tournaments are something else again, requiring many months of training for each one. It is a sport you could chase for a lifetime. The awesome thing is that EVERYONE, even the top pros, have bad days or whole seasons: you go on the ISSF website and look at the historical scores for Olympic gold medalists and see that they many have slumps (though some of those will be from when they changed guns). Not sure, but I don't believe that happens a lot in ATA; the performance of the ATA professionals is fairly even, whereas trench requires (IMO) a much more sensitive balance of mental and physical preparation that is very easy to upset.

Not to say that ATA is bad etc, to each their own. Especially in tournaments, ATA may be a very different grind, since basically there is no margin for even a single miss if you are to place. Bunker on the other hand, it is common for the top scores to be 3-4 targets below the perfect mark before the final (though average scores for the top 6 are steadily increasing every world cup), so the pressure of a single miss is not as much as it is in ATA or even universal trench (another variant of bunker that uses fewer machines, and generally has much higher scores).

Another game that is of interest is helice, or ZZ birds. Usually you can determine how difficult a clays game is by how many targets are thrown in a tournament (since that is generally a measurement of how many targets are required to separate out the winners from the crowd). ATA I believe has several hundred, bunker has 125+25 for the final. Helice has up to 30 in North America and even fewer in Europe (similar apparently to box birds tournaments), and are run as miss-and-out. So it's pretty hard. Also MUCH more expensive.

But whatever, all of the clay games beat doing real work.

edit: olympic trap = bunker trap = trench = olympic trench = fossa olimpica
(All vices have multiple names.)
 
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trap vs skeet

I enjoy the rivalry of skeet vs trap also and although i have shot many 100 straights in registered skeet events (club practice doesn't count) i have only shot 1 100 in trap.

Try skrap, a game where you shoot trap birds from the skeet stations.
each man has up to 5 trys per station and last man with shells wins.
oh by the way, after station 7 return to a point 5 yards behind sta 6,5,4,3,2,
and then 10 yds behind sta 2 3 4 6 etc.


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You guys have it all wrong!
Neither trap nor skeet are hard, nor is sporting clays, short range BR, full bore, small bore or even IPSC - WINNING at it these games the tough nut to crack!!:rolleyes:
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In the interest of retaining harmony amongst the disciplines I'm locking this one up. It had run it's course and I was hoping it would stay dead.

Brad.
 
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