How do i measure tge deviation in my type 81

They are built from scrap parts thats why.. look very carefully at the serial number on a 17 t81 at the trunnion
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I'd be curious to see what the build quality is like in comparison to military production T81's. Hard to tell from videos on them or the US imports. Typically I'd say to compare literature, but I'm not sure if Chinese documentation is very reliable for build quality.

Is the general consensus still that the first import LMGs were the best quality?

Se is the best quality as far as fit and finish. Lmg werent much better than a 2017 but had no bent barrels
 
View attachment 642343 look at the rivet job on this one and tell me thats gonna hold lol

Not acceptable for us considering we payed 1000+cad

But do u think some soldier in Africa or Burma would care ? Or even be in a position to care ? Haha i think not, the soldier is armed, and China gets its 200 bucks lol

I doubt factorys hold onto rejects. Their probably like most machine shops and dump the part in a smelt bin the same day. The cost to machine these parts like the trunnions i bet is laughably cheap. Ive been getting quotes from CNC shops over there and they beat Canadian prices 4 fold. And im talking about modern professional certified machine shops, imagine what factory pricing could be.

My personal theory is that these are assembled from a mixture of new Canadian compliant parts: the sheet metal, the barrel, safety cam etc. Along with easy carry over parts and more costly parts to produce are possibly sourced from surplus. And the condition of that surplus seems to vary between imports and individual rifles. Regardless of where they are assembled or whether the parts are new or used or surplus I bet they generally follow the same cook book that the military rifles do.
 
Youre still forgetting the factory can produce beautiful type 56 ak's and yet these are crap.. how is that so? Ive never seen ak's from norinco with such bad rivet jobs and canted barrels. Not even the wasr10 in the states are like this
 
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Youre still forgetting the factory can produce beautiful type 56 ak's and yet these are crap.. how is that so? Ive never seen ak's from norinco with such bad rivet jobs and canted barrels. Not even the wasr10 in the states are like this

The type 81 is a $800 gun at the max, sold to us with a 50 % markup, cause there is no competition.

Let's see how TI gets out of the preorder of another 3 or 4,000 SR and LMG's. Pretty sure the Chinese will not accept cancellations. The SR was manufactured in 2021, so I assume those are ready to go and will flood the market soon with big price discounts.
 
Youre still forgetting the factory can produce beautiful type 56 ak's and yet these are crap.. how is that so? Ive never seen ak's from norinco with such bad rivet jobs and canted barrels. Not even the wasr10 in the states are like this

They can also produce beautiful SVDs, and crappy m305's. Different guns, different jigs, different doctrines, different decades. Maybe different factorys idk. All im saying is I doubt they produce military orders to a higher standard. Theres no reasoning behind it at a manufacturers level to produce millions at a higher QC level, and then totally drop the ball for a few thousand civy models that realistically probably pay them more per unit. I can see how materials may change on a part to part basis over the decades like what happened with the M305's, but tolerance and machining wise i cant see a reason why it would degrade.
 
The type 81 is a $800 gun at the max, sold to us with a 50 % markup, cause there is no competition.

Let's see how TI gets out of the preorder of another 3 or 4,000 SR and LMG's. Pretty sure the Chinese will not accept cancellations. The SR was manufactured in 2021, so I assume those are ready to go and will flood the market soon with big price discounts.

Itll be interesting for sure Im betting they hold onto them to be bought back at full price before we see discounts though. Its much easier to surrender them at full price then to fix the stocks and sell them to the public.
 
They can also produce beautiful SVDs, and crappy m305's. Different guns, different jigs, different doctrines, different decades. Maybe different factorys idk. All im saying is I doubt they produce military orders to a higher standard. Theres no reasoning behind it at a manufacturers level to produce millions at a higher QC level, and then totally drop the ball for a few thousand civy models that realistically probably pay them more per unit. I can see how materials may change on a part to part basis over the decades like what happened with the M305's, but tolerance and machining wise i cant see a reason why it would degrade.

The closest one to being a perfect type 81 is the se model fixed stock. These have nicely set rivets and relatively straight barrels. The dust covers are pretty well fitting too. The recievers have the proper contour for the front trunnion The wood however is a soft pine or chu wood. I get what youre saying these arent the mak90's of the 80's
 
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