How do you guys lap scope rings?

Keithjohn

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Hi, I'm in a bind , I have a beautiful old 658 tikka with the tikka rings and can't get it close to zero (12-14" low ) it is taped but has metric 3.5x5 screws that I can't find anywhere . So I'm thinking of lapping the rings with a straight rod and Emory cloth

Can anyone point me to the right screws for this thing ? I wouldn't mind better rings

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In a bind is correct lol It's just a guess but maybe Monday try calling Alberta bolt makers or M&Z industry supply. I know trying to find odd fasteners can be a bit of a pain but maybe then can help or at least point you in the right direction.
 
I lap with a steel rod (1 inch for 1 inch rings) and 120 grit abrasive with oil. Rotating as I move it back and forth... it will bind at first and then work it's way... you only lap the bottoms of the rings...
 
Ok , thanks again , I guess I suspected as much , these rings aren't worth spending money on so I guess I'm into sourcing the screws for a rail or good rings , or I'll find a 1" rod .
 
If you are 14 inch off, you need more than lapping. You might want to check if it is mounted right or if the scope is shot. Try another scope if you have one, but make sure the rings are ok first. Is it metric or standard rings?
 
Without trying to sound like a commercial...

Switch to Burris Signature rings, and forget about lapping...or torquing the scope tube, or leaving ghastly ring marks on your expensive scope!

Watch this vid, it explains a lot...


I'll give you an example, having worked is a sport shop and installed my share of scopes, and solved some serious problems along the way.

Older rifles are notorious for misalignment of drilling for scope bases, particularly Enfields, and the like, but lots also right out of the factory. Had one rifle, a 1917 Enfield, lots of work done to it and looked pretty decent. Wanted his old scope and rings off his current hunter mounted to it. I could tell there was going to be issues...whomever drilled and tapped it for bases did a horrible job. Of course, when I installed Weaver bases and then the rest of the gear, the scope was very visibly pointing in a different direction from the barrel! With the scope zeroed, a bore sight tool indicated right off the chart low and a foot to the left. No amount of internal adjustment was ever going to compensate for that...and as the video above demonstrates, over adjustment will bugger up the erector and lens alignment.

Solution: Signature rings. I used +20 in the 7:30 position with -20 in the 2:30 position on the front ring. And the exact opposite on the rear, +20 in the 2:30 position, and -20 in the 7:30. Set the scope into place with caps, properly torqued, and it was now in essentially in spot on alignment with the rifle. I made up the difference of a couple inches from the left and low to zero the scope.

Problem solved! No ridiculous shimming, no patching the action and re-drilling for bases, all for the price of a set of rings and a few offset shims, and about half an hour of my time. Solidly mounted and ready for sight in at the range.

I've seen brand new scopes, not just marked up, but literally crushed by a very popular make of rings. Would never happen with Signature rings.

I've seen new scopes so bound up by being bent when forced into misaligned rings, that the erector tube jammed enough it wouldn't move. Again, ain't gonna happen with Signature rings! The inserts automatically aligns the scope with the rings. Whether the rings/bases themselves are aligned with the rifle is another matter...see above!

I've taken scopes off of my rifles that have been in place for years, without even a hint of a ring mark to show for it!

Another instance: Dovetail rings with windage adjustment on the rear base - trouble just looking for a place to happen. Head to the range, the gun is shooting 10" to the right. Use the rear windage adjustment to move the scope. There is no way in hell the front ring that was twisted and locked into place with a tool and considerable effort is going to pivot when the rear is moved like that! You've just torqued the hell out of the scope tube, if not permanently bent it...and put pressure on the internal erector tube, and thrown the internal lenses out of alignment. However, with Signature dovetail rings, the first thing to do before adjusting windage is slightly loosen the screws on the front ring caps, which then allows the scope to pivot freely and maintain alignment with the rear rings. Adjust and then retighten the front caps. Piece of cake, and it works!

I swear, nothing but Burris rings go on my rifles and expensive scopes! All the rest are effectively the Model Ts of the scope mounting biz. Lapping is yesterday's solution to an ages old problem...and a poor one at that, IMHO. I've taken apart lapped rings that were well spotted with rust up against the aluminum scope tube...not good!

And the next scope that moves from recoil on my rifles will be the first!
 
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I would love to go with the Burris rings , but as I said I can't find the 3.5x5 metric screws it's a pre 2003 apparently they changed the threads in 2003
And I did try a couple of scopes , pretty sure the rings are NFG
 
Keith...

The mounting rails on a Tikka 658 are the same as on a Tikka T3, except that it's not drilled and tapped for bases.

Several options...

Leupold 54447 bases fit a T3 rail nicely, made for single dovetail rings. You would have to have a proper gunsmith drill and tap the rails for these in the same manner as is a T3. Then you have options for rings, including Burris.

Sako make Optilock rings, which incorporate the same principle as Burris Signature. The Optilock "Ring Mounts" fit the rails on both T3s and 658s, and are a pretty good ring...albeit a tad pricey and perhaps hard to find. "Ring Mounts" mount directly to the rail, without a separate base. There are also Optilock rings and bases, sold separately, about twice the money with more parts (to go wrong). Don't let anyone sell you the latter, you must specify "Ring Mounts"! One thing about Optilock rings...the ring cap screws are Torx, but use the smallest of Torx tips (same as Ruger) which can too easily strip the Torx head of the screw if over torqued or tightened...and are a screw of a different metric thread that's pretty much impossible to get anywhere except from Sako! Also, unlike Burris, Optilocks don't offer the option of offset inserts...albeit your rifle shouldn't need these.

Another option is from Warne...

http://swfa.com/Tikka-C2384.aspx

After all I said about Burris, these would at least get back up and running. They are made specifically for Tikka style rail mounting. Warne can be difficult to find in Canada, however.
 
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Yup, hate it . And to sir Springer -- mine is drilled and tapped (from factory ) just the metric thread screws that the tikka s had before 2003 apparently

I see...images of M658 I Googled showed no drilling for bases, just clean rails with a notch for the recoil pin. Specialty screws like that are a real PITA to find!

The Warne or Optilock Ring Mounts would get around it, but can be tough to find on a dealer's shelf in Canada.

I don't know how the metric 3.5 would compare to No. 6 screws commonly used for bases...small enough to be drilled out an tapped for the 6? Or even a No. 8? Without modifying the base for a different size head, too?

The M658 is a very fine rifle, would suck to get hung up over something like this! :-(

Edit: Occurs to me that Stoeger Canada is the importer for Tikka...might be worth wasting a phone call to them to see if they can help, or point you in the right direction? Long shot, granted.

https://www.stoegercanada.ca/consumer/

Also, this outfit appears to specialize in Tikka...

https://tikkaperformance.com/index.php?route=common/home

These are from Tikka, and rather basic, but would solve the problem for now. If you can find 'em on a shelf in Canada, don't know if they'll ship from the US. Oddly enough, Tikka T3s sold in the US came with a set of these included...but not in Canada for some reason...?

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/tikka-basic-ringmounts-aluminum-blued-finish/s1322967/
 
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