How do you store your powder/primers?

shawn said:
You need to re-read the explosives act, he quoted the current regs and the number you posted are not correct. The link to the act is in my post above yours.

Shawn
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75 kg in a detached store.
10 kg in a "suitable receptacle"

this is what section XII states:

  • 140. (1) Subject to subsection (3), the quantity of authorized explosives that may be kept in a detached store, whether or not the explosives are kept in a suitable receptacle, shall not

    • (a) in the case of explosives of Classes 1, 2, 3 and 4, exceed 75 kg in the aggregate; and
    • (b) in the case of detonators, exceed 100.
  • (2) Subject to subsection (3), the quantity of authorized explosives that may be kept in a suitable receptacle shall not

    • (a) in the case of explosives of Classes 1, 2, 3 and 4, exceed 10 kg in the aggregate, of which not more than 5 kg shall be blasting cartridges; and them; and

  • (b) in the case of detonators, exceed 100.

  • (3) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply in respect of safety fuses, fuse lighters, igniter cords and connectors.
 
legi0n said:
75 kg in a detached store.
10 kg in a "suitable receptacle"

this is what section XII states:

  • 140. (1) Subject to subsection (3), the quantity of authorized explosives that may be kept in a detached store, whether or not the explosives are kept in a suitable receptacle, shall not

    • (a) in the case of explosives of Classes 1, 2, 3 and 4, exceed 75 kg in the aggregate; and
    • (b) in the case of detonators, exceed 100.
  • (2) Subject to subsection (3), the quantity of authorized explosives that may be kept in a suitable receptacle shall not

    • (a) in the case of explosives of Classes 1, 2, 3 and 4, exceed 10 kg in the aggregate, of which not more than 5 kg shall be blasting cartridges; and them; and

  • (b) in the case of detonators, exceed 100.

  • (3) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply in respect of safety fuses, fuse lighters, igniter cords and connectors.
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I am aware what it states and it bears no relation to what Magnum posted.

Its 10kg per receptacle not total. The total you can have is 75kg as per section 143.

Shawn
 
I have my powder in a wooden cupboard & my primers in an old blue streak cabinet in my garage. Don't know if thats legal or not & I don't much care. If there is a fire the 6 lb of powder is nothing compared to the 100 liters of gas that is in my car.
 
I keep my powder, primers and projectiles in a room that is 12' x14'. I also have a bench in there as it is handy for stuff......

As a weird happenstance I keep my loaded ammo in the same room. Heck I keep my firearms in there too!

Usually there is spent primers willy nilly on the floor, and I usually have a hard time finding a trail through all the "stuff" piled up on the floor. The room perpetually smells of Hoppes #9, Shooters Choice powder solvent, Sweets and old stale farts.....

I try to keep my primers and powder off the floor, if there is a sewer back-up or a sump pit over flow I don't want that stuff to get wet. So I decided a handy spot for that stuff is on the shelf that is under the bench that I have my loading presses mounted to......

But by all means Build a box...... And don't forget to empty the powder measure before you go to bed each night!

I have been loading my own ammo for over 20yrs. I have never felt the need to build a box to put my powder and primers into. I would need 3 boxes bigger than most gun safes for all my powder nad primers! Why bother!

I only ever empty the powder thrower or chargemaster if I am changing powders, I have left the same powder in my chargemaster for 5 months THE HORROR! Granted I did use 9 or 10 lbs of that powder in the 5 month period, but I bet there were days in a row where I didn't even enter my hidey hole let alone load!

I'm all for safe loading practices etc. Clean work spaces et-al. But COME ON.
 
legi0n said:
75 kg in a detached store.
10 kg in a "suitable receptacle"

this is what section XII states:

  • 140. (1) Subject to subsection (3), the quantity of authorized explosives that may be kept in a detached store, whether or not the explosives are kept in a suitable receptacle, shall not

    • (a) in the case of explosives of Classes 1, 2, 3 and 4, exceed 75 kg in the aggregate; and
    • (b) in the case of detonators, exceed 100.
  • (2) Subject to subsection (3), the quantity of authorized explosives that may be kept in a suitable receptacle shall not

    • (a) in the case of explosives of Classes 1, 2, 3 and 4, exceed 10 kg in the aggregate, of which not more than 5 kg shall be blasting cartridges; and them; and

  • (b) in the case of detonators, exceed 100.

  • (3) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply in respect of safety fuses, fuse lighters, igniter cords and connectors.
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Smokeless powder is Division 1 Class 6. Your quote doesn't apply to Class 6.

I dug up the old thread on this and here are a few other tidbits: 10kg is the perceived current max but in actuallity it's 75kg. The proposed new max for Class 1 Division 6 is 20kg aggragate (10kg in an attached dwelling if memory serves). You can have more (75kg) in a detached store (i.e. Detached shed).
 
Magnum_Tom said:
Smokeless powder is Division 1 Class 6. Your quote doesn't apply to Class 6.

I dug up the old thread on this and here are a few other tidbits: 10kg is the perceived current max but in actuallity it's 75kg. The proposed new max for Class 1 Division 6 is 20kg aggragate (10kg in an attached dwelling if memory serves). You can have more (75kg) in a detached store (i.e. Detached shed).
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Smokeless powder is not class 6 division 1 it is class 1. But you are right the quote does not apply to class 6 but it does to class 1, which is what is being discussed. And you numbers are wrong for both. Please quote the act where is says that.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
Smokeless powder is not class 6 division 1 it is class 1. But you are right the quote does not apply to class 6 but it does to class 1, which is what is being discussed. And you numbers are wrong for both. Please quote the act where is says that.

Shawn
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It would appear that there have been some revisions since a year ago when I last read the proposed act and we went through all this. Powder has gone from Class 6 (Ammunition) to Class 1. They've left primers and loaded ammo in Class 6 and seem to have removed the max limits on them. Storage amounts are different and I'm not seeing the severe limitations they were trying to apply to BP and I'm also no longer seeing the single dwelling versus attached dwelling distinctions. But I may have simply missed that in my quick skim. I must say I'm really not impressed with the 10kg proposed limit.

In my latest review of the proposed act I found the section on mixing primers and powder together in the same "suitable container". It appears they've removed the separate shelf requirement. Bundling is apparently fine now...in this revision. Keep in mind all of this is still proposed and not enacted yet.
 
No one is talking about the proposed regulations, that has already been pulled, and the last revision to the act took place in 2009-06-01.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
No one is talking about the proposed regulations, that has already been pulled, and the last revision to the act took place in 2009-06-01.

Shawn
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And there's where the confusion lies: You are only talking about the new regs. Everyone else was posting links to info on the new regs and talking about the new regs.
 
Magnum_Tom said:
Have the new regs even been ratified and become law? .....

The new regs do say .....

Someone asked about maxes: Currently you can have 12kg of powder stored. In the proposed regs, you can have 25kg aggregate smokeless powder in a single dwelling and 10kg aggregate if in connected housing. This includes all the loaded ammo you have. Blackpowder is much more limited.
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Magnum_Tom said:
The proposed new max for Class 1 Division 6 is 20kg aggragate (10kg in an attached dwelling if memory serves). You can have more (75kg) in a detached store (i.e. Detached shed).
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Magnum_Tom said:
It would appear that there have been some revisions since a year ago when I last read the proposed act...

In my latest review of the proposed act...
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Magnum_Tom said:
And there's where the confusion lies: You are only talking about the new regs. Everyone else was posting links to info on the new regs and talking about the new regs.
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What was that about me talking about the proposed regs?

Dude you are the only one bringing it up, and mix with that your random amounts and other stuff you clear have no clue what you are talking about. Not to mention everything linked is the current regulations and not the proposed ones just adds to the proof you have no clue.

Shawn
 
Sorry. I typed new when I meant old in my last. There are plenty of posts in this thread on the new regs. I think my posts pretty clearly identified that I was talking about the proposed regs and you're telling me that they're incorrect when you're basing that on the old regs. Whatever dude...
 
I spent 25 years with Government electrical regulations. I wonder if I am still sane! Many regulations are old and poorly worded and Gov is very reluctant to revise them as it is a long and painful exercise.

The materials specified are low sparking to reduce the chance of a spark if stuck, that is why brass copper is mentioned. This is a quick reference to non-sparking tools to give you an idea.

Non-sparking tools are special metal tools that are used in areas that may have an explosive atmosphere. They can be made out of various types of metals such as Aluminum-Bronze (AlBr) or Copper-Beryllium (CuBe2) alloys, which do not produce hazardous sparks when struck. However, the trade off is that most of these metals are softer than normal steel alloy tools. This means they will wear out more quickly and will have to be maintained more often. Non-metals like wood, leather, and plastic are suitable for some tools like shovels, scrapers or scoops and do not pose a friction spark hazard.

Stick with wood and brass if you build anything and want to be complying with the regs, but this this really overkill since the primers and powder all in enclosed containers anyway. Has anyone ever heard of an explosion ?
 
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Storage rules aren't my problem. 50 lbs of BP and 30 lbs of smokeless are.

I use 1" thick wood boxes 36 x 10 and for primers 1" thick wood boxes 36 x 6.

In case of fire, they are stored in a concrete room with a steel clad door. I canll it my gun vault. I doubt the fire can get into that room.
 
Magnum_Tom said:
Sorry. I typed new when I meant old in my last. There are plenty of posts in this thread on the new regs. I think my posts pretty clearly identified that I was talking about the proposed regs and you're telling me that they're incorrect when you're basing that on the old regs. Whatever dude...
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Lol you need to re read the thread if you think anyone but you was talking about the proposed regs. They are incorrect, the question was how to store powder and primers, not how could I store my powder and primers if the proposed regulations that have already been shot down took effect.

This is why people get so confused, other people start posting completely irrelevant stuff not related to the question as fact and the answer to the question. And you are right there are plenty post about the new regs, your and the responses to yours telling you we are not talking about that.

Shawn
 
I store my powder & primers in one gallon glass jars so I can see what I have in them without having to read the labels or open them up.



Just kidding!!! :p
 
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