Hi everyone just a newbie question on RPAL and ATT. I’ve recently submitted my application to get my rpal but I’m still a bit confused about how atts work. Since I’ll probably be getting most of my restricted Firearms online, how does it work for the att? I’m already a member at a local gun club so I’ll be able to bring it there. Do I need to request an att for every restricted firearm I purchase? Do I need to request one before I attempt to purchase one online so it can be transported to my house? Also I would be buying restricted Firearms at local stores, would I need an att first to bring that home from the store? Any clarification would be great thanks.
How does an ATT work?
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calibrecarstairs
CGN Regular
From wiki:
Bill C-42 amended the Firearms Act, which caused ATTs to become a condition of a licence.[4] "Authorizations to Transport become a condition of a licence for certain routine and lawful activities such as target shooting; taking a firearm home after a transfer; going to a gunsmith, gun show, a Canadian port of exit; or a peace officer or a Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) for verification, registration or disposal". Effective September 2, 2015, these changes to the Firearms Act came into force meaning an ATT became a condition of a licence for the foregoing routine and lawful activities. In other words, an ATT is automatically included into any valid RPAL licence.
Bill C-42 amended the Firearms Act, which caused ATTs to become a condition of a licence.[4] "Authorizations to Transport become a condition of a licence for certain routine and lawful activities such as target shooting; taking a firearm home after a transfer; going to a gunsmith, gun show, a Canadian port of exit; or a peace officer or a Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) for verification, registration or disposal". Effective September 2, 2015, these changes to the Firearms Act came into force meaning an ATT became a condition of a licence for the foregoing routine and lawful activities. In other words, an ATT is automatically included into any valid RPAL licence.
Usually, range transport is also built in. A list of conditions, incl. ATT, will be printed on the sheet of paper with RPAL card. Once you buy your first restricted they will update/expand a list of conditions and ATT privileges and send you a new RPAL.
calibrecarstairs
CGN Regular
ATT is for transport, RPAL is for purchase.
When your RPAL arrives you are covered for ATT for all of your toys.
After your first restricted purchase you might receive a new RPAL card with the .0001 extension after your number. Maybe designates the addition of the ATT to the card?
When your RPAL arrives you are covered for ATT for all of your toys.
After your first restricted purchase you might receive a new RPAL card with the .0001 extension after your number. Maybe designates the addition of the ATT to the card?
When you order your first restricted from a business they will initiate the transfer papers from their end. You can phone your Provincial Firearms office from your end if it is your first restricted transfer...but I dont think it is necessary. The business will ship the firearm with a temporary permit to allow the transfer to your home. The CFO will also send you a brand new RPAL with your ATT conditions written on the back and a paper copy of those same conditions included. The permanent registration for the firearm will also come by mail...either before or after firearm arrives. You need your new licence with transport conditions...your Permanent Registration for the gun...and your Range Membership before heading to the range. Also...for whatever reason...you are supposed to have the paper copy of your att which says the same thing as your new RPAL.
The procedure will probably change under the new law C71 when it comes out.
The procedure will probably change under the new law C71 when it comes out.
calibrecarstairs
CGN Regular
I disagree with bold text. Can you provide an example?
Underlined text... ATT is attached to the licence and no paper required.
Okay so from what I’m getting is I won’t need to go out of my way to request an ATT or register a restricted firearm if I’m just buying from a business, I would only need to call in to request an ATT if transport to my range isn’t included with my rpal conditions? They really make this a lot more complicated than it needs to be.
calibrecarstairs
CGN Regular
FYI from an old paper Long Term ATT:
AUTHORIZATION TO TRANSPORT
RESTRICTED OR PROHIBITED FIREARMS
Your Authorization to Transport Restricted or Prohibited
Firearms is printed at the bottom of this page. Read both sides
of the authorization carefully to ensure that your name and
other information are correct. If any information is missing or
unclear, or if the authorization has been damaged in any way,
return it to the address in the top left corner of this page and we
will send you a new one. If your address as shown above is
incorrect or incomplete, let us know by mail or telephone at 1
800 731-4000. Remove the authorization from the page by
cutting along the line shown and keep it with the firearms while
they are being transported.
Conditions et destination(s)
See conditions. Transport of the restricted firearm(s) and/or prohibited handgun(s) is authorized to
and from the shooting range that has been approved under Section 29(2) of the
Firearms Act as indicated on this Authorization to Transport for the purpose of
target practice and target shooting competitions.
Firearms must be transported by a route that, in all circumstances, is reasonably
direct.
The holder must be in possession of a valid Firearms Licence or Firearms
Acquisition Certificate.
The transportation of the firearm(s) must be in accordance with the Storage,
Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations.
The holder must be a member in good standing of an approved shooting club or,
the guest of a member of an approved shooting club.
See attached page for additional Conditions / Voir la page ci-jointe pour les
conditions additionnellesThe holder must be in possession of the Registration Certificate(s) for the firearm(s) being transported.
Firearms may only be loaded and/or carried on your person while you are actively engaged in target practice or a target shooting competition.
This authorization allows the holder to transport firearms from the place of registration to a Gunsmith licenced as a business under the Firearms
Act for the purpose of maintenance, repair, modification or deactivation and return to the place of registration.
This authorization allows the holder to transport firearms to and from border crossings on condition that the holder is in possession of the
necessary US documentation.
AUTHORIZATION TO TRANSPORT
RESTRICTED OR PROHIBITED FIREARMS
Your Authorization to Transport Restricted or Prohibited
Firearms is printed at the bottom of this page. Read both sides
of the authorization carefully to ensure that your name and
other information are correct. If any information is missing or
unclear, or if the authorization has been damaged in any way,
return it to the address in the top left corner of this page and we
will send you a new one. If your address as shown above is
incorrect or incomplete, let us know by mail or telephone at 1
800 731-4000. Remove the authorization from the page by
cutting along the line shown and keep it with the firearms while
they are being transported.
Conditions et destination(s)
See conditions. Transport of the restricted firearm(s) and/or prohibited handgun(s) is authorized to
and from the shooting range that has been approved under Section 29(2) of the
Firearms Act as indicated on this Authorization to Transport for the purpose of
target practice and target shooting competitions.
Firearms must be transported by a route that, in all circumstances, is reasonably
direct.
The holder must be in possession of a valid Firearms Licence or Firearms
Acquisition Certificate.
The transportation of the firearm(s) must be in accordance with the Storage,
Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations.
The holder must be a member in good standing of an approved shooting club or,
the guest of a member of an approved shooting club.
See attached page for additional Conditions / Voir la page ci-jointe pour les
conditions additionnellesThe holder must be in possession of the Registration Certificate(s) for the firearm(s) being transported.
Firearms may only be loaded and/or carried on your person while you are actively engaged in target practice or a target shooting competition.
This authorization allows the holder to transport firearms from the place of registration to a Gunsmith licenced as a business under the Firearms
Act for the purpose of maintenance, repair, modification or deactivation and return to the place of registration.
This authorization allows the holder to transport firearms to and from border crossings on condition that the holder is in possession of the
necessary US documentation.
greywolf67nt
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Once you get your PAL call the CFO and get their email address. Send them a copy of your range membership. DON'T WAIT! If it is not on file they WILL NOT call you they will mail you a letter requesting the info. Depending on the province you may or may not need proof to get the transfer completed.
rifleman762
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
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An ATT works by preventing criminals from carrying handguns. Like to a bank robbery, for instance. No ATT, no handgun in the bank. Easy peasy.
just been through this myself, probably can answer some questions for you.
When you first receive you brand new RPAL it will have a .0001 at the end. There will be no additional conditions attached, no special ATT etc. If memory serves, it will say something like "standard conditions are attached to this license" or something like that.
Whenever you purchase a restricted firearm, you cannot just go to a store plop down your cash, flash your PAL and take it home.
When you purchase your FIRST restricted firearm (assuming from a business) either online or in person, they will take your PAL information and notify the CFP that they are transferring firearm ###XX from them to you. The CFP will take that info and pass to your CFO who has to approve the transfer. This can take a few days, sometimes a few weeks. In Ontario we aren't required to have a range membership to purchase a restricted, if your province does require it, make sure the CFO has that info. I suspect the retailer you are buying from will get that info from you as well if it's required by the province.
After waiting however long, the store will be sent the Transfer Notification by the CFO giving them authorization to send it to you or allowing you to pick it up and take it home.
Then two more things will happen:
1) A new RPAL will be issued to you, it will be the same number, except it will have .0002 at the end, instead of .0001. This can take a week or two to get to you. That new RPAL will have the text "Standard and transportation conditions are attached to this license" and the piece of paper that comes with it will state additional "SPECIAL CONDITIONS" which include: to and from the range, to and from a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer, to and from a repair or appraisal business, to and from a gun show, to and from any port of exit for purpose of taking them outside of Canada, and transport newly acquired restricted firearms from place of acquisition back home. You should keep a copy of this piece of paper with you, as it is your ATT for going to your range and back.
2) You will be sent a registration certificate for your newly acquired firearm. You should make multiple copies and keep one with the firearm during transporation. You won't have it when you pick it up from the store or from the post office, but the Transfer Notification is your authorization to transport home. I've read varying opinions on whether you need to wait for the registration certificate before taking your new firearm to the range, I won't offer any advice on that.
The process remains the same for any future restricted purchases, except you're not given a new RPAL version. The only difference on a private sale, like here on EE, is that as the buyer you'd be required to call the CFP and confirm your details with them before it's sent to the CFO to approve the transfer.
TLDR: You'll get a temporary ATT to have the firearm sent to you and take home from post office OR pick it up yourself from the retailer when the CFO approves the transfer and you'll get an automatic / permanent ATT which will include as a condition of your RPAL when you are issued a new RPAL after make your first restricted purchase.
Oh, and once bill C-71 passes, I think the only ATT that will remain attached to your RPAL will be to and from the range.
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I had my my RPAl when c-42 came into effect, and have purchased restricted firearms since but never got the new RPAL. I still had my long term paper ATT, so was not too concerned. I recently moved and called to change adresss and get a STAtt, since my paper att will no longer be valid the new address I asked for a new license with condtions attached, they refused saying it was not necessary since the the condtions are attached electronically, but I believe we still need the little paper that comes with new RPAL, what do you gents think?
calibrecarstairs
CGN Regular
You mean that little piece of paper that says:
SPECIAL CONDITIONS (continued) Carry this document with your licence card as you must be able to produce this document on demand if requested by a peace officer or other authority.
I carry it, others do not. It doesn't put me out.
It’s seems that a new RPAL is required, that is different from the old RPAL to satisfy the law, but hey are telling me that it’s not necessary to get the new RPAL because condtions are attatched electronically, if this true then why did the issue new RPALs ? I think she was mistaken but refused to issue new RPAl any ways, what can I do? Since I don’t have the New RPAl not sure weather the little piece of paper is required to carry or not, but I thought it was.
i am actually curious as to what they are teaching when you take the Rpal course.
i helped a friend when he teaches the course and that is one of the topics that is covered very thoroughly .
at the time i had just updated my ATT to include a range in Alberta. so it was a very good teaching point.
now this is in Saskatchewan and my friend has taught for many years.
it just seems to me that there are a lot of questions asked on here that should be covered when taking the Rpal course.
i helped a friend when he teaches the course and that is one of the topics that is covered very thoroughly .
at the time i had just updated my ATT to include a range in Alberta. so it was a very good teaching point.
now this is in Saskatchewan and my friend has taught for many years.
it just seems to me that there are a lot of questions asked on here that should be covered when taking the Rpal course.
Incorrect, you are required to carry the paper that your PAL comes on and lists the conditions attached to your license
Shawn
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calibrecarstairs
CGN Regular
You just created/modified a quote which does not exist to further fuel your unquenchable narcissistic ego.
Your thoughts?
Screen shot has you a -1.
edit - correction - you are now -3
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