How easy has your hunt become? Are you missing something?

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Several years ago I used to hunt with a young and very driven law student who was also a serious bicycle racer. We chased pheasants pretty hard, and at the end of one long day he said to me: “Most deer hunters couldn’t do what we just did. They’re not in shape for it. They just sit in a tree.”
I took some exception to that remark, because I dragged my own deer by myself by hand in those days, but that was then, and now, I am beginning to wonder if he wasn’t right, at least about hunting in 2015.
Last week, for instance, I recently reported in Field Notes on a 14-year-old girl in Texas who shot an all-black whitetail buck. First let me be clear: I am genuinely happy for her. It’s great she killed the trophy of a lifetime and is excited about hunting.
That said, her hunt went like this:
Ride an ATV to a blind on a 58-degree afternoon
Sit in the blind eating potato chips
Wait for the feeder to go off
Spot the black deer.
Wait while her father called another hunter on the lease to discuss whether it’s okay to shoot a six-point black deer on a place with an eight-point minimum.
Shoot the deer.
Haul the deer out with the ATV.
That’s it. That’s what hunting has become to a lot of people.
Again, don’t get me wrong. That was a terrific hunt for a 14-year-old. But, I like to think an adult might want something a little more challenging, physically taxing, or, frankly, even something a little more “outdoorsy” out of a hunt than driving to an enclosed shooting house and calling people up.
And, while I still spend most of my hunting days walking after bird dogs or turkeys, or packing duck decoys on my back, I’m also guilty of hunting like the scooter-bound human blobs in Disney’s “Wall-E” from time to time. I drive goose decoys into a field, dump them out, set them up, then lie in a blind playing with my phone until the geese arrive.
There was a time or two this year when I walked decoys in the old fashioned way due to muddy fields, but mostly, I drive to the X and I like it that way. At least the best goose hunting usually takes place in the bitter cold, so there is some suffering involved, if not much exertion. Still, I realize I am throwing stones from the lawn of my glass house.
Growing up, I always thought hunting, even the comparatively tame Midwestern hunting I know, required a certain amount of physical fitness or at least the toughness to endure the elements. That seems to be less and less a part of the hunting experience for more and more of us, and I wonder if we aren’t losing something important.
 
The above article misses something, and that to me, is that some folks couldn't hunt at all without a little help from modern machinery. We have an elderly chap in camp who can't even climb a tree stand, and has difficulty walking a couple hundred yards. For him, hunting pretty much means sitting on his ATV under the stand.
That said, I've always walked as much as I can, routinely walking many miles some days, particularly on the moose hunt. It's very enjoyable, and a fantastic way to learn the area, and game movement in it.
 
Speaking for myself only, I always thought hunting involved roaming the landscape looking for a prey, then stalking it until you're in position for a shot. The sport in which one lays a lure and waits in one location for the prey to arrive (usually while having a beer) is called fishing. And I don't have the patience needed for fishing. :)
 
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So, you are attributing real hunting to an amount of physical work?

I see a d ick measure thread here now.

"I did this and this and this and hauled it up this steep a cliff then jumped off in my loin cloth and swam with it this many miles in freezing conditions"

Humans are lazy by nature, we find easier ways to do things, it is evolution.Some have physical limitations , some use everything at their disposal.Just get out and hunt.

Hunt how you wish and the way that feels best , but like religion ,don't force your ways and thoughts on someone else and their methods, unless you use a trailer tow mirror for a rest off the #55 highway from inside the truck, yeah, then I have words for ya.

Don't judge.
 
I keep looking until I find the animal, obviously I prefer the close, easy location, but will go wherever I need to be successful.
 
While I have zero respect for game farm hunting, I wouldn't cast stones at stand only hunters if that's what you want to do.

Typically I sit in a stand at sunrise till about 8-9 am and then tramp till 11. Then walk some in the afternoon some and back in the stand till dark. Especially on quiet/ crunchy/ frosty days where the sound carries a long ways. Hearing something coming a long ways off is the best medicine anyone could get!

I do not have the patience to sit in a stand for more than 2 hrs and truthfully 3/4 of the deer I see ( this year's buck too) are encountered while sneaking around.
 
Whether it's hunting, fixing something, completing a course, or running a race, there is a sense of accomplishment that comes with attaining something through hard work.

Loin cloth firmly in place.
 
When I first started hunting, almost everything was done the hard way, from getting into & out of the spot in the middle of nowhere to dragging the deer back to the vehicle... Nowadays, I'm more spoiled with an atv and a 4x4 truck...

I guess it's just the way it is as you grow older?

Cheers
Jay
 
Well, I do have patience to sit for hours in a blind..........followed by pushing bedding areas in the early afternoon for a couple hours, then back into the blind until last light.Some people want instant gratification ....go out ......kill something and go home. They are missing the thrill of the hunt.I enjoy watching game and various wildlife doing their thing as I pass the time.The kill is anti- climatic and just means it is over for another year.It's like ### without foreplay.........you arrive at the same destination ..........but it wasn't nearly as much fun getting there.............JMO........Harold
 
So, you are attributing real hunting to an amount of physical work?

Damn right, judge. What's the point of having a brain if you won't use it to judge things? What you meant is "don't condemn" and that's a whole different ball of yarn to play with (and where I agree with you). There's nothing wrong with fishing (for fishes, fowls or land mammals), it's just not my thing. :)

But let's stay on topic: what is "hunting"?

Your point about constructive laziness and technology is very apropos. Man has been inventing all kinds of devices to help bring the meat home since the dawn of times, and with perfect justification. Rock to spear to bow to rifle. From foot to horse to ATV to helicopters. Putting baits then bait and traps. Bush beaters and trained dogs. And laying in ambush for the prey near a waterhole has been a valid tactic since sabertooth kitties showed us it worked! But let's push our thinking a little further down the path of technology:

Say I put a remotely operated camera and rifle in a tree stand and stay home to control them from my smartphone. Am I hunting? It still involves physical work since I have to set up the blind or tree stand and dress the kill and haul the meat out, yes? Only, I'm staying comfy indoors while I wait for the prey to show up on the screen.

So what if I send someone else to do the stand set-up and dressing/hauling for me while I only control the rifle? Am I hunting?

Even more constructively lazy, what if I use cameras/sensors along trails to warn me when something comes within the field of view and the phone makes a beep so I don't even have to monitor the screen all the time myself?

And for the ultimate in constructive laziness: what if I automate the entire process, including target recognition, aim and trigger control (thankfully we aren't there yet!)?

And that was the whole point of my first post: one can define "hunting" as "it's hunting as long as I kill game and bring it home, however I do it". Which includes every hunting methods from stalking on foot or from helicopters to ambush to trapping to remotely operated shooting. Or you can say "well, it's only hunting if I am actually outdoors in the weather to do it". Which includes stalking and ambush and trapping. Or you can say "well, it's only hunting if I'm outdoors and present at the moment of the kill". Which removes trapping from the list. Or you could say "well, it's only hunting if I have to exert myself to get to the prey", which is the essence of stalking.

It's not a question of right or wrong or judgement of member sizes. If you're a paraplegic, you're sure not going to be stalking the prey unless you're mounted, and that's beside the point. The question the OP raised was: when does hunting cease to be hunting? And dictionary definitions aside, that's pretty a subjective question open for long debates around many a pitcher of beer.
 
Geographical boundaries set the pace for ways to hunt.
In B.C., drive a few miles and the bush is for us to enjoy.
At least away from the big cities anyways.
I do a bit of everything.
Going out for the day with the quad packing a rifle or shotgun or sometimes both.
Don't care if I cut a tag or not, and a grouse or two don't hurt me feelings.
Other times I'll put on a pack and go for a gander. Find a perch to sit on and
watch for a bit.
Then git restless and carry on.
My poor old bodd sure don't like heavy physical exertions anymore so the walking part
I keep my eyes on ways in with the wheels to get said fur.
I sure miss my moose hunting buddies that moved way up north and to anther province.
Managed to get up there this year to enjoy almost a week with them.
Mostly visiting and it sure is enjoyable in a Woods tent with a wood stove.
Would sure of been cheaper to load up a shopping cart with meat at Costco
I dare say.

Best to go out and enjoy the gitt'in while the gitt'in is to be had.
Never know when the story will come to a final end.........................:wave:
 
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I "hard work" hunt because that's all I can afford, lol.

No quads, trail cams, fancy stands, or long range rifle platforms for this hunter's budget.
 
Geographical boundaries set the pace for ways to hunt.
In B.C., drive a few miles and the bush is for us to enjoy.
At least away from the big cities anyways.
I do a bit of everything.
Going out for the day with the quad packing a rifle or shotgun or sometimes both.
Don't care if I cut a tag or not, and a grouse or two don't hurt me feelings.
Other times I'll put on a pack and go for a gander. Find a perch to sit on and
watch for a bit.
Then git restless and carry on.
My poor old bodd sure don't like heavy physical exertions anymore so the walking part
I keep my eyes on ways in with the wheels to get said fur.
I sure miss my moose hunting buddies that moved way up north and to anther province.
Managed to get up there this year to enjoy almost a week with them.
Mostly visiting and it sure is enjoyable in a Woods tent with a wood stove.
Would sure of been cheaper to load up a shopping cart with meat at Costco
I dare say.

Best to go our and enjoy the gitt'in while the gitt'in is to be had.
Never know when the story will come to a final end.........................:wave:

I must be having a stroke... as I finally understood something kamlooky typed!!!

But I go out and "hard hunt" just because thats what I like to do, I would much rather be in the woods then anywhere else. Plus I swear the meat tastes twice as good when there is a story behind the getting of it! May as well do it as long as I can, ain't getting any younger!
 
I hunt every day of the season...I get up and check out the back window and if nothing there, I check the kitchen window, if I see something worth "butchering" that is what I do...and some days with the health issues that have plagued me, that is "hard hunting". Actually the hunting I do now is harder by a long shot than what I did for 40 yrs...chasing sheep or elk up and down mountains while carrying 50 lb packs, digging goose pits for 4 hrs in hard pan clay (and then sit in them for another 4 hrs in a 30 mile an hr wet wind just to watch them land 200yrd away, then happily do it all over again the next day) , dragging any number of deer out of the bush by hand and so forth...and loved every minute of it.
 
Sometimes hunting seems too easy. The next time, in the same area for the same species it will prove to be impossible. Instead of averaging out to medium difficulty, it seems to be one extreme to the other. One day you couldn't get what you want (or the one you want, or the amount you want, or the way you want) and the next instant a perfect freebie will fall in your lap and you might be wondering if that wasn't a little too easy. Yesterdays hard and pointless walk, or mountain climb, or last weeks freezing your butt off doesn't change that today's gift that fell out of the sky, or walked over where you could shoot it, or stood around looking retarded while you walked over and shot it was a gift. Most of the animals I've killed were looking at me at the time. They could have ran, like most of them do, most of the time but that time they didn't.

Sometimes hunting passes you a gift, or maybe all success is a gift. Best to just take it and not over-think it. There will be plenty of dry spells to help you think you earned your freebie if it makes you feel better.
 
In some ways hunting is harder than it has ever been. Habitat is generally decreasing as hunters and wildlife compete with agriculture, cattle ranching, forestry and mining for available land. Becasue these competing industries are profitable, while wildlife is not, conservation is becoming increasingly expensive. Seems most hunters expect to hunt for free or for very minimal cost and on public lands. Therefore one must expect to get what you pay for...less. Less space to hunt and less game.

In other ways hunting has become easier. A few of the smartest hunters have figured out that private property, a fence, and enforcement of private property rights can assure that game is kept where it is wanted. There is nothing wrong with protecting your investment from competing land uses or resource users or driving your $50,000 truck across country to your spot. Of course nobody really wanted things to get to this point but the alternative would leave wildlife open to those who would overuse or abuse the resource.

The only thing that hunters have in common is that to succeed we must adapt. The world has changed. For some, hunting is harder. For others its easier. You don't have to like it...but you have to understand it.
 
For me at least sometimes the hunting goes easy and sometimes it goes hard, as someone above mentioned I really don't ponder about it much. I will admit though that the harder and more physically demanding hunts seem to stick in the memory bank a bit better than the easy go.
 
I must be having a stroke... as I finally understood something kamlooky typed!!!

But I go out and "hard hunt" just because thats what I like to do, I would much rather be in the woods then anywhere else. Plus I swear the meat tastes twice as good when there is a story behind the getting of it! May as well do it as long as I can, ain't getting any younger!


He said it well.
Not that old I am , but one knee is starting to bother me a lot.
Been road hunting all my life(I will drive roads others turn and run from lol )
Plan to keep on doing this till I am the one in the passengers seat napping...Winks at Dad (Miss you much man)Tearing up now.


Just hunt


Note the date in the photo(Not the date the photo of the photo was)
Nov30/2003 , Moose down at noon on the last day of the season :)
Many times this happened(I am thankful now for the maximum time hunting with Dad)
Photo around midnight ...After about 4 hours fighting with the 2wd truck getting the quad back there(Chain up)
Then snow to deep for the quad , chains off pickup and onto quad.
Flat tire on Quad due to a root on the cut block ripping the valve stem out.
My very big wife had to run the quad to get enough traction(Sometimes it was only on its rear wheels) pulling this monster 520lbs hide off.

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My son hunts all the time with me now and has done me and his grandpa proud
 
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I used to do a lot more walking, bushwacking and climbing through rough terrain when I was half my current age. I simply can't do that as aggressively or long any more: I can't keep up with my 20-something self. And that's fine. We all have physical limitations that we must live within lest we do ourselves serious harm. So, my hunting is less strenuous and exhausting than it used to be. But, it still provides this middle aged hunter with exercise and some physical suffering. Having said all that, I will walk several hours, in poor weather, cold temperatures, etc etc in pursuit of something that is in season...quite often small game! At the end of the day, I often know that I have reached my limit of exertion and physical suffering from the sharp stabs emanating from my left knee...something that started when I was half my age, but has now become an on board governor of physical exertion.

Anyway, different strokes for different folks in terms of their physical and mental limits.
 
I like being out and about in the bush and hunting gives me purpose. I am too hyper to sit in a stand but it would certainly be an excellent way to observe nature. I use the ATV as it increases my range exponentially. I certainly do not cover the ground on foot compared to forty years ago but it seems I am just as tired upon arriving home. Present day modern convenience has eased the physical requirements of hunting no doubt. They make me a more efficient hunter as my main quarry is grouse and certainly cover more ground now than I used too. While modern convenience has changed hunting somewhat the primeval part of our psyche which motivates us to hunt has not changed.

As far as the knee goes, not sure what stage you are at but had mine replaced in 2007. Only thing holding me back is my conditioning, not a twinge from the replacement.
 
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