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- Gulfport, Mississipi
I have found that 20 gauge is very effective against English setters.
How effective is the 20 gauge
- Thread starter crazydave
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- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Turkeyslayer 1300
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Russell, Ontario
What would you recommend in a new model 20 guage for upland birding? Need to buy one for the wife to go with her new English setter pup.
Browning BPS with a 26 inch Tube.
a buddy of mine as been using an 870 youth 20ga with great effect this waterfowling season .. when in range its dropping mallards better than 12ga 3" steel #2 .. hes using 3" lead #4's .. pushing about 1400 fps i think
im so impressed that i think i'll be picking one up for next year
im so impressed that i think i'll be picking one up for next year
Ahsan Ahmed
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
As much as I like the 20ga, I believe that in your particular scenario it was those lead shells that should get most of the credit.
Unfortunately, lead is no longer an option for waterfowl in this part of the world.
I have killed lots of waterfowl with a .20 gauge, I have also killed a deer, coyote, and 2 turkeys. Don't extend your range, and be on them as much as possible, as you don't have the same qty of pellets. I love the .20 gauge. Just my 2 cents.
Dave.
Dave.
yes i have no illusion its the lead thats helping, but even so the knockdown is phenominal, the ammo is cheaper, and the recoil is so much less..
for 12ga we have to use steel if we are shooting over water/within 100m of water.. otherwise we can use lead..
with 20ga we can use lead all over the show
Pudelpointer
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- Location
- Lethbridge, Alberta
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WTH kind of regulation is that? No lead, but only in 12 guage....
Fail.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Different country differing rules........I say more power to them.
I used to shoot alot of waterfowl (mostly green heads, teals and the odd canvasback) until our stupid steel shot laws took over.
You know how many ducks and geese suffered and died from avian botulism in a warmer fall season?
Lots & lots more than hunters with 'evil' lead can kill.
(except in a few marshy heavily hunted areas as before, as noted in BC & Ontario, the way it used to be)
I don't agree 100% with the national/international non-toxic shot law. And in the north country, where more and more nesting waterfowl decimate the tundra grasses is living proof more north american waterfowl hunters, like myself, have given up hunting them. With that comes loss of moneys generated from previous federal migratory licence sales and increased stress on the land.
When I lived in South Saskatchewan there used to be a group of almost 20 of us that habitually went duck hunting every fall, and with some of us finally mastering those jet speed flights of teal, generally we came back with our legal limits.
Now only one of that group is a dedicated waterfowler. Mostly all packed it in when non-toxic shot became federal law.
This is the result 'they' wanted, and 'they' got it back tenfold.
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Ahsan Ahmed
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
First of all, it is quite likely that only one or the other may fit better - in other words, both brands will almost always never fit the same individual.
Now thinking more from a perspective of field model shotguns.....
In terms of build and performance, both brands do reflect the standard of quality starting at their base models/prices. However, I must confess that the wood on the Beretta 686s will be usually almost always crappier (is that even a word?) compared to that on the Browning.
IMHO, the Beretta is better finished overall, has a more slimmer/smaller receiver profile and usually lighter in weight than the Browning. The weight factor could be noticeable even when compared between the lightweight models of those two brands.
One may note that a Browning 625 Feather in 20ga will be similar in weight to a 12ga Beretta 687 Ultralight. The later weighs around 6lbs or a little more in the case of the deluxe model.....the Beretta Ultralight is also not available in 20ga.
As is usually the case, any 20ga 686 version of field models will be much lighter than a similar built 20ga 625 Citori (read both with steel receivers).
Both the Feather and the Ultralight model O/Us have alloy receivers (for weight reduction) reinforced with steel or titanium lined breech faces. Either could be a good gun for the application originally designed for i.e. Upland hunting where the firearm may be borne along for longer periods but shot very little in the process. However, it may not be out of place to mention as well that any form of consistent use of heavy(er) loads in such light shotguns will not only be punishing to the end user (recoil) but will also have an adverse effect on the stockhead (cracks) after a point in time.
As such, should one's intent be to apply a shotgun in dual roles i.e. for both hunting as well as clay shooting from time to time then a regular model of either brand will serve well for long years.
