how far south wolves in Ontario

Ontario has 2 very different wolf species, as well as the coyote. It appears to me like their is some confusion in this thread as to what is what

Gray Wolf (Timber) - The biggest

Eastern Wolf (Red) - Mid sized. Think very large yote or very small Gray

Coyote - every knows what these are. The smallest of the bunch.

Amongst the three, it is unlikely for Grays and yotes to hybridize, but it is common for Eastrern wolves to breed with both. The hybrid Eastern/yotes are what most people would call "large yotes". In fact, even pure eastern wolves can be difficult to distinguish on the foot from large yotes, it can take some autopsying to figure it out. Eastern wolves are what dominate Algonquin and central ON.

From MNR

There are two species of wolf in Ontario: the gray wolf found in the boreal and tundra regions of the province, and the eastern wolf found in the coniferous and mixed coniferous-hardwood forests of central and northern Ontario.

Coyotes, a close cousin to the wolf, co-exist well with humans and are common in the developed and agricultural areas of southern and northern Ontario. Where the ranges of eastern wolves and coyotes overlap, interbreeding makes it difficult to distinguish between eastern wolves and coyotes and they can easily be confused.
 
trebor2880 said:
If you get a chance, drop by the Bullseye Club. About 10 miles west of New Liskeard.
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10-4, will make a note of that if we have time

blasted_saber said:
Ontario has 2 very different wolf species, as well as the coyote. It appears to me like their is some confusion in this thread as to what is what

Gray Wolf (Timber) - The biggest

Eastern Wolf (Red) - Mid sized. Think very large yote or very small Gray

Coyote - every knows what these are. The smallest of the bunch.

Amongst the three, it is unlikely for Grays and yotes to hybridize, but it is common for Eastrern wolves to breed with both. The hybrid Eastern/yotes are what most people would call "large yotes". In fact, even pure eastern wolves can be difficult to distinguish on the foot from large yotes, it can take some autopsying to figure it out. Eastern wolves are what dominate Algonquin and central ON.

From MNR

There are two species of wolf in Ontario: the gray wolf found in the boreal and tundra regions of the province, and the eastern wolf found in the coniferous and mixed coniferous-hardwood forests of central and northern Ontario.

Coyotes, a close cousin to the wolf, co-exist well with humans and are common in the developed and agricultural areas of southern and northern Ontario. Where the ranges of eastern wolves and coyotes overlap, interbreeding makes it difficult to distinguish between eastern wolves and coyotes and they can easily be confused.
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So where does the Boreal forest start and could I expect Timber's in the New Liskeard area?
 
freddyfour said:
10-4, will make a note of that if we have time



So where does the Boreal forest start and could I expect Timber's in the New Liskeard area?
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Yes, you will see Timber wolves in Liskeard. In fact the last one I saw (last summer) was just south of Liskeard.

As I said in my first post, Timber wolves start generally around North Bay. Not coincidentally, this is the start of the boreal forest as well.
 
There are hybreds in southern ontario. And I've seen males twice the height of coyote #####es in fields outta bow range. Last winter I shot a large coyote that weighed 56lbs looked just like white fang in the movies. I shot it in chatham kent. They're not common down here but they are around
 
Well if I get up there it will be in mid September. Doubtful I will be able to shoot one that time of the season but I would like to sit out in the evening a call them. I would love to hear a few howl's from a big timber.
 
It's pretty darn simple, most people don't realize how big wolves are, there is no confusing them with Coyotes and it's event tough to confuse a Wolf with a Red Wolf / Eastern / Hybrid. Not a lot of ambiguity.

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Coyote
 
pretty sure I got this photo from CGN a couple years ago. Pretty good comparison between wolf and coyote I think LOL


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I have a hunt camp south west of Algonquin and there are lots of coyotes, long legged big coyotes, might have a bit of wolf in them.
 
Good comparison shot. I'm stilled stunned by the odd thread of "Wolf or Coyote?", and one note about hunting wolves, it's hard. I say this as a shameless veteran of a few minor expeditions after them, in prime wolf country. I see lots of wolves in my job, which involves flying low over Northern Canada a couple hours a day now, but shooting them is another matter. They don't respond to calls eagerly like Coyotes, and you need to adapt some pretty atypical strategies to be successful (I don't call myself successful- I've got one to date and live where there are more wolves than anywhere) :redface: A good friend on here is a trapper (and fellow pilot so he sees the numbers from the air like I do), and he's pretty good at getting them as I understand it. He uses excited Coyote calls (actual Coyote sounds, not Coyote attracting sounds), bait, and a real Coyote mount as a decoy as I understand it to get Wolves to drop their guard and rush in irrationally.

Definitely not the sort of hunting you just drop in and do for a week in an area you don't know then go home. Before I moved to the North, I was interested in hunting Wolves with a trapper who's licensed to outfit as well, knows his stuff. He told me $5,000 and that would buy me a 'chance' at a wolf- and he knows exactly where to go and how to hunt. There are tons of Wolves, but they got back to these populations for a reason, they're far smarter and more wary than Coyotes. Trappers get them a lot more than hunters. Most hunters who get one, myself included, are lucky. Not uncommon for a guy that lives in good hunting country, away from the cities, to have shot a few just by happenstance. You can surprise them, but it's a right time right place thing. Also, I see Wolves and Wolf tracks a lot at work, including today. But the area they're spread out over and how far they go will blow your mind, the likelihood of hitting them 'blind' on the ground is like a lottery ticket. I can fly over an area that would be say 100 sections, and maybe actually see one or two, usually not. And you see a lot more looking down through the trees from the air than from the ground!

Good luck, it's entirely doable, but if you want success talk to locals that have done it.
 
Ardent said:
and one note about hunting wolves, it's hard.
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I agree... I've been after them for almost 4 years and no mount yet. The last one I saw was driving home from WAWA.

I have tried baiting and calls no luck... even the yotes up here don't respond like they do down in south western Ontario.

I carry a wolf tag always because when I actually get a shot while hunting other big game, I will want to take it.

I won't give up for my wolf mount however I'm just about ready to do a fly in wolf hunt North of me. I rather get one locally and spend the cash on a nice mount or rug.
 
Ardent said:
It's pretty darn simple, most people don't realize how big wolves are, there is no confusing them with Coyotes and it's event tough to confuse a Wolf with a Red Wolf / Eastern / Hybrid. Not a lot of ambiguity.

Wolf

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Coyote

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Coyote
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That second one is a monster!! That's not something you wanna see lurking around after dark.
 
NWO said:
I agree... I've been after them for almost 4 years and no mount yet. The last one I saw was driving home from WAWA.

I have tried baiting and calls no luck... even the yotes up here don't respond like they do down in south western Ontario.

I carry a wolf tag always because when I actually get a shot while hunting other big game, I will want to take it.

I won't give up for my wolf mount however I'm just about ready to do a fly in wolf hunt North of me. I rather get one locally and spend the cash on a nice mount or rug.
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Good man, you'll get him one day and like you said most likely while after something else, and glad you mentioned your experience. Seems like some of the guys here want to drop in for two weeks, call/bait, and plan to go home with a Wolf. Just won't happen in my estimation, and better to save them the trouble and gas. I've been chasing wolves for three years come this February, most of the hunting not far from 60 degrees North so a bit better hunting country than most enjoy, with minimal success. Hopefully one day I discover a good system.
 
Ardent said:
Good man, you'll get him one day and like you said most likely while after something else, and glad you mentioned your experience. Seems like some of the guys here want to drop in for two weeks, call/bait, and plan to go home with a Wolf. Just won't happen in my estimation, and better to save them the trouble and gas. I've been chasing wolves for three years come this February, most of the hunting not far from 60 degrees North so a bit better hunting country than most enjoy, with minimal success. Hopefully one day I discover a good system.
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So is your advice to anyone that doesn't live in an area populated by wolves not to bother? Not very encouraging, but thanks for the advice:cool:
 
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