How good will my rifle shoot at 1078 yards...
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No kidding I bet you could teach a primate to shot groups like that after it was set up
hes got a point
Tell you what guys, instead of just saying it can't be done, direct your energy towards making a gun that will do it. I'm not going to change my setup before going back out to our range and coming back with results so why don't you guys do the same. If you can't be bothered to crank out a non-military spec Timberwolf that will actually produce amazing results then don't post a bunch of trash talk and get everyone on the band wagon. I know for a fact that my guns built by Alberta Tactical Rifle aren't ment to be hauled into a sand box because of the tolerances so I'm not sure why you're trying to compare apples to oranges. Is one better then the other? For a particular application both are better then the other so let it go already. Realisticly, if I wanted to shoot consistent groups at extended range, I'd probably try to launch the heaviest most consistently built bullet I could get my hands on because every bullet no matter the wieght has it's range limits but inside of it's limits, it's got a predictable trajectory and it will consistently fall towards the same point of aim. I showed you guys a target that four rounds fell consistently onto at a recorded distance that I thought wasn't THAT big a deal. Obviously my idea of 'Not that big a deal' was more of a big deal to some and I guess I offended 'SOME' people with my statement.
All you've done now is make me want to show you up and personally I think that's the wrong reason for going out and trying to do your best. As Rick mentioned there are a number of enthusiasts who have been surprised with the accuracy of their custom rifles upon delivery and load developement and some post results and some don't. The guys that post results are laughed off the forum by nonbelievers that either don't have the skill or don't have the discipline to go out and try it themselves. This particular area of the forum is dedicated to 'Precision Rifles' and the pursute of just that so why ruin it?
By the way, thanks for the link to the world record holder. I think we all find articles like that interesting. Personally I wouldn't have gone with that caliber but this guy set a world record with it and that's more then I can say I've done.
If this thread has taught me anything it's that I now have something to proove to the rest of the member on this forum and it's going to speak volumes for the rifle I've had built, the caliber I've chosen, the scope I've equipped it with and all the rest of the components that have gone into the results I'm going to come back with.
Steve and Ross, I think the offer was made clear to you that if you want to come out and shoot with us not as competitors but as enthusiests having a good time, then come on out and enjoy our hospitality. There's something that can be learnt from everyone because we've all traveled down different paths in our lives. All we can do is extend the courtesy. The guys behind the wheel of the BMWs aren't always #######s, and Rick came to realize that too. LOL
All you've done now is make me want to show you up and personally I think that's the wrong reason for going out and trying to do your best. As Rick mentioned there are a number of enthusiasts who have been surprised with the accuracy of their custom rifles upon delivery and load developement and some post results and some don't. The guys that post results are laughed off the forum by nonbelievers that either don't have the skill or don't have the discipline to go out and try it themselves. This particular area of the forum is dedicated to 'Precision Rifles' and the pursute of just that so why ruin it?
By the way, thanks for the link to the world record holder. I think we all find articles like that interesting. Personally I wouldn't have gone with that caliber but this guy set a world record with it and that's more then I can say I've done.
If this thread has taught me anything it's that I now have something to proove to the rest of the member on this forum and it's going to speak volumes for the rifle I've had built, the caliber I've chosen, the scope I've equipped it with and all the rest of the components that have gone into the results I'm going to come back with.
Steve and Ross, I think the offer was made clear to you that if you want to come out and shoot with us not as competitors but as enthusiests having a good time, then come on out and enjoy our hospitality. There's something that can be learnt from everyone because we've all traveled down different paths in our lives. All we can do is extend the courtesy. The guys behind the wheel of the BMWs aren't always #######s, and Rick came to realize that too. LOL
Well there are some bold statements. Fact is, all of our rifles are capable of some fine groups. But shooting just isn't about the rifle, it has more bearing on environmentals than anything. One thousand yards of dynamic, viscous air complete with currents, eddys and not to mention refractive displacement of the point of aim. It is absolutely absurd to make the claims of 'regular 3 inch groups'. It is insulting to any person who has put their heart and soul into shooting little groups that you can take a 'magic' rifle that ignores the environment and do on a regular basis what others luck into once in a while. You must have a far superior ability than the other mortals on this planet. The rifle is but a small part of the shooting.
Please enlighten me as to what I will acheive by 'cranking out a not milspec Twolf' is all about. I believe the Twolf already produces some amazing results, and my customers are very happy with them, so much so that most order Coyotes to compliment the big brother. If anyone is 'trash' talking, it is you stating that my products won't actually produce amazing results. I never trashed your rifles, I only asked that you back up your claims with more than 4 shots on a steel plate for some TV show. The fact is you haven't backed up your claims and have continually dodged the direct questions asked of you. You did a fine job of trashing yourself, I didn't have to do a darn thing.
I was fascinated reading the other thread that is now closed - but it got a bit silly towards the end. I think the current World Record for a 5 shot group belongs to a chap named Tom Sarver who in 2007 shot a 1.403" group at 1000 yards. As a regular guy who is a keen shooter - and by that I mean "no real natural talent, lots of practice and using stuff that regular people can buy" I think that if you can hold 1 MOA out to 1000 yards you are some pretty damn fine shooter. My shooting is mostly done at 296 yards ( due to range configuration ) and my best ever - so good that the scan of the target is now my Blackberry screensaver - is a 4 shot (not 5, long and funny story ) group that measures 0.327". I cannot repeat this (hence the screensaver idea ) but I can shoot consistent sub 1/2 MOA at that distance so I would be very, very pleased if my loads, rifle, scope and self could hold 1 MOA at 1000 yards. All this talk of consistent 3" at 1000 is so out of my league that I leave all questions pertaining to its veracity to experts.
My 0.327" at 296 yards was done using a Sako TRG 22 and my loads are 175 SMK over 44.6 Varget with a COAL of 2.848"
BTW - If I ever go custom I think I would now call the folks at PGW.
My 0.327" at 296 yards was done using a Sako TRG 22 and my loads are 175 SMK over 44.6 Varget with a COAL of 2.848"
BTW - If I ever go custom I think I would now call the folks at PGW.
3" consistantly out to 1000yard, that guy did it with 10 round, I think 5 round out to 1000yard is Fair, be there this Sun day at Genesee gun range, it only 800meter, so cal out to 900yard, according to 3" at 1000yard, 900 yard would be 2.7" , break you little Piggy bank, I like to put that money toward a new PGW , the real Canadian Gun Maker!
Beautiful rifles!
Beautiful rifles!
As a business owner I find these discussions (right or wrong) extremely distasteful.
The potential loss of both business and reputation is chilling and it needs to be stopped.
Given the (current) lofty public stature of PGW I would most respectfully suggest that a widely viewed forum such as this is no place to publicly flog a competitor.
I will continue to support both businesses.
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The potential loss of both business and reputation is chilling and it needs to be stopped.
Given the (current) lofty public stature of PGW I would most respectfully suggest that a widely viewed forum such as this is no place to publicly flog a competitor.
I will continue to support both businesses.
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Max Owner
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I don't think the tone of my posts has been flogging a competitors product. My posts have been directed at an anonymous person on the internet that has many times stated he does not work for ATR and is making some pretty incredible claims about his and his rifles shooting ability. I would simply like to see these claims backed up. I have next to no knowledge of ATR's business and I have never seen one of his rifles so I can't make any informed opinion, and if I did have an opinion, I wouldn't be slagging him on the internetz. Again, I'm questioning some wild claims and nothing more.
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