How important are interchangeable chokes?

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I am new to trap shooting, and buying my first shotgun. I will likely buy a used O/U. I was wondering how important interchangeable choke tubes are, and if they make a gun more versatile. I would shoot primarily trap, but might to try skeet and sporting clays in the future. There are several older (and cheaper) O/U's with fixed chokes. Is it worth ponying up more money for one with choke tubes?

Thanks!
 
I am new to trap shooting, and buying my first shotgun. I will likely buy a used O/U. I was wondering how important interchangeable choke tubes are, and if they make a gun more versatile. I would shoot primarily trap, but might to try skeet and sporting clays in the future. There are several older (and cheaper) O/U's with fixed chokes. Is it worth ponying up more money for one with choke tubes?

Thanks!

To me it is. Plus if you ever decide to sell the gun it sells quicker .
 
Choke tubes are great for getting the correct pattern when working up loads or using different ammo. But too many shooters swap out chokes in lieu of patterning, hoping to get more hits. Either way the shotgun needs patterned with different ammo till a correct pattern is found.

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Interchangeable chokes have been around for a century or so, though the factories produced fixed chokes for many decades afterward. I'm sure that the number of clay birds that fell to fixed chokes must number into the tens of millions.

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Looking at a fixed choke gun I would take into consideration price, choke designation and the opportunity to either have the chokes adjusted or interchangeable installed.

Regardless, just have fun.
 
Could you suggest the best general purpose combination of chokes? (ie impoved over modified, etc.)?

Thanks for your replies, and your further opinions.
 
I think it is very important to have the ability to change chokes and it definitely increases the flexibility of the gun. So, your situation, where you want to try other venues from time to time rather than just trap, would make the ability to change chokes especially attractive. It will clearly help you to use skeet chokes in skeet, or at least improved cylinder, and you will very quickly want the ability to change chokes in sporting or five stand as well I'm sure. In fact, now that I think about it some more, you may even want to change chokes in trap. There are people that use extra full chokes for long range shooting in trap and you often see full chokes, improved modified or modified for singles. Doubles shooters often have different chokes for the first and second shots too. Yup, I vote solidly for the ability to change chokes as an important feature to consider in buying a shotgun. Just my $0.02. Fred
 
I am new to trap shooting, and buying my first shotgun. I will likely buy a used O/U. I was wondering how important interchangeable choke tubes are, and if they make a gun more versatile. I would shoot primarily trap, but might to try skeet and sporting clays in the future. There are several older (and cheaper) O/U's with fixed chokes. Is it worth ponying up more money for one with choke tubes?

Thanks!

Trap is a rising and going away target game that is best shot with a gun that shoots above point of aim and is far and away mostly shot with IM or Full constrictions.

Skeet is a complete opposite in that very open chokes and a flat shooting gun are best suited, ergo the Skeet constriction.

Sporting Clays offers varied presentations that may best be shot by tailoring your choke to suit the range each station presents. Sporting guns also are flatter shooting.

If you are ging to concentrate 90% on trap and want to someday compete, I advise getting a trap specific gun and not worry about having choke tubes or not. Fixed FULL /MOD will do nicely.

If you are dead set on finding a gun you can use for all the above, you will have to compromise by getting a trap gun with choke tubes and learn to float the targets all the time or find a Sporting, Field or Skeet gun with 28"to 30" barrels with choke tubes or fixed chokes of IC / MOD and use the tighter (over )barrel for Trap singles.

I shoot all of the mentioned games along with 5-stand and a bit of International Trap & Skeet. Of the several shotguns I own, only my Sporter has choke tubes and is versatile enough to do decently at all the games, but I much prefer shooting Trap & Skeet with game specific guns.

Have you been out to the Winnipeg Trap & Skeet Club ? I welcome you to make use of our facilities and I'd be happy to give you a tour and shoot the game of your choice with you.

Tim.
 
If all you are going to do is shoot 16 yard trap targets a fixed choke is fine. I shoot all the games with mine and have 9 choke tubes. Even most of the die-hard fixed choke guys are buying guns with tubes. Even on the high end target shotguns, fixed chokes are an option and choke tubes are standard.
 
Choke tubes are very good idea if you intend to shoot all the games with one gun. In an earlier era it was possible to have one gun for trap and another for skeet because the distances are predictable. When sporting clays started to get popular shooters gravitated toward guns with choke tubes so they could change pattern size in response to target presentations of varying distances.
 
Thanks for all of your replies! This will make the buying process a bit easier. Thanks as well to Tim for the invite. I will look you up in the spring!
 
I think the only place they have a home is on the sporting clays course. Short of that, you shouldn't need to change chokes. I see a lot of guys desperately swapping chokes on their way to another round of trap, hoping that it'll improve their scores when the reality is that it's just introducing another inconsistency to the mix. Mind you, these are the same guys that seem to chase the correct comb adjustment for years.

Stick with full over modified, and you'll be good to go for damn near anything short of skeet. No offence, but your skill level will hold you back long before your chokes do!
 
I assume you're just getting into the clay sports. You can easily get a gently used fixed choke O/U for a very reasonable price to start up with. Look for Browning, Winchester, SKB, Beretta, etc.

Trap is a good place to start. Full over Mod fixed chokes is all you really need now to begin. Choke tubes offer versatility, definitely. Once you get accustomed to shooting trap with the gun, and know where it hits, you can certainly use it for skeet and learn to play that game. Skeet is usually played with open chokes, the opposite of what you'll have for trap. You'll be disadvantaged with the tighter patterns, but there's nothing preventing you from hitting targets. And when you do hit them on the skeet field, you'll know it! It'll just be dust.

Shoot, learn, enjoy, try all the games with your M/F gun. If you find you really prefer trap, sell your current gun and get a trap gun. Or a skeet gun if you like skeet more. Or a sporting clays gun with tubes. My point is don't worry if you have to sell this original gun down the road, it's not a big deal.
 
Not to mention, by the time your chokes are the main sticking point keeping you from higher scores, the investment of having a gun threaded for chokes won't seem like such a big deal.
 
absolutely no question about it, you need choke tubes to shoot well at both trap & skeet. If you hunt with the same gun, you may want them there too, usually tight choke for waterfowl, and not so tight for some upland game
 
absolutely no question about it, you need choke tubes to shoot well at both trap & skeet. If you hunt with the same gun, you may want them there too, usually tight choke for waterfowl, and not so tight for some upland game

X2 This thing about missing because one has chokes is a new one on me. I guess it might be possible to get fixated on chokes. In fact, I remember the first time I shot sporting I couldn't decide which chokes to use on some presentations, but that was just learning something new about the shooting game. You'd have to really work on it to make chokes a mental illness:p and often using the right choke helps. The advantages of having the opportunity to change chokes and learn what works is so good there really isn't much debate in my opinion. Having the right choke might help the beginner hit birds too, something that is really important in the initial stages of learning. It's only the seasoned veteran who benefits much from missing. It is true that there are some nice second hand shotguns floating around with fixed chokes. One that might tempt me is a good fitting one with skeet chokes and another is a BT-99 or 100. BUT they wouldn't be all that useful for much else than the single game they are designed for, or maybe upland birds in the case of the skeet gun. I'd know it going in though, and I don't think it is helping the newby all that much by encouraging him or her to go down that route unless they are clear about the decision they are making.
 
Too many sporting clays shooters fixate on chokes when there are more important issues to be worried about such as target line, presentation (edge on or full face) gun hold, eye hold and when and how you first see the target. All I care about is whether I have enough choke for a specific target distance. Usually I have skeet, light mod and improved mod in my shooting bag and shoot light mod most of the time.
 
all good points about fixating on choke selection to the detriment of looking at the real cause for missing , but, you need full (or close) for trap and open (or close ) for skeet, always have, which means if you only have one gun, it should have tubes !
 
absolutely no question about it, you need choke tubes to shoot well at both trap & skeet. If you hunt with the same gun, you may want them there too, usually tight choke for waterfowl, and not so tight for some upland game

Watch the Olympic shooting events; you won't find a choke tube in sight there nor at any of the world cups. Success in skeet and trap, independently, definitely does not require choke tubes.

As for shooting sporting, skeet, trap, and bunker, there are enough differences in those games that if you're taking them seriously, you should probably have invested in dedicated skeet, sporting, and trap guns. Where the pattern is going in relation to your eye is vastly more important than how big the pattern is when it gets there; you can't break a target if the lead is going in the wrong direction.

The OP asked about trap. The problem with choke tubes in trap specifically is that they modify the pattern, which in turn creates an inconsistency. And as far as trap is concerned, consistency is key. Unless they take each tube out, and pattern it with each load they shoot, they'll end up switching back and forth between chokes to fix a problem that's probably got more to do with gun fit, vision, mounting, or their swing than it does pattern. But, instead of examining their mount or where they're looking for the bird, they just reach for the choke tubes instead.

I agree, you need appropriate chokes for skeet, just as you need the appropriates choke for trap. But if you have those chokes, you really won't need to change them. So as far as trap specifically is concerned, there's nothing a fixed full over a fixed mod can't do. From 16 yards to 27 yards to doubles, those two will do it all.

Sporting clays is a whole different kettle of fish, but the OP isn't concerned with that just yet... so, save a whackload (seriously, the savings to be had on the used market by opting for fixed chokes is pretty ridiculous) of money by getting fixed full over mod, shoot trap for a while, and then re-evaluate your needs when you feel like expanding into skeet and sporting.
 
OP said :I would shoot primarily trap, but might to try skeet and sporting clays in the future sic
looks like a job for choke tubes to me
 
A field gun choked IC/MOD will do everything an occasional clays shooter asks of it from trap to SC's ,EXCEPT hit the target - THAT is up to the shooter!!:D
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