How long till we see wide spread Sustenance hunting ?

[1963beretta]

I usually enjoy your posts Superbrad, but the fact that you don't get it speaks legions...and it's not really that any one in particular is to blame. We take care of business at home 1st... so you likely pay little attention to the fact West is pretty P*ssed and feeling alienated.
But we are... not one Liberal seat in the 3 western provinces? This is a bit bigger that gun control out West. The fact that I have to explain it to someone from Ont and another from Van... says a bit, eh?
No offence intended, pls

Well said!!

Other than the fact that Superbrad is likely very well aware of whats on and likely posted what he did because folks seem to paint everyone in Ontario with the same brush. When you see some of the ignorant posts, seems to me like ignorance runs thick in those who point the finger......no offence intended....

Superbrad clearly wishes for unity.....others seem content with giving Trudeau the win with furthering the divide

 

[call2arms]

Double post

 

[call2arms]

There's no way in h**l someone should lose their life over simple trespassing or theft of "stuff". We gotta get to the bottom of this and fast.

Theft of peoples livelihood is very serious. Perhaps you may know how serious people dealt with horse thieves in the past. It was not about the horse but the deprivation from the rightful owner of a critical resource.

 

[GUB]

Stewards of the land?? right...
Must be whiteys fault?? right..
nuff said

 

[Grizzly Adams]

I have heard it said at ice netting insertion points when an inquisitive crown gathers that you don't need a "jigger" ...you just freeze the tow rope in a straight line above the ice, insert in the water and then push like hell...

A tip on your jigger, paint in the brightest fluorescent color you can find. The fluorescent color will reflect up through the shale or 'snow frosted" ice much easier than just a plain red or yellow painted one. One guy should follow the jigger at every stroke, you can hear the faint "click" of the ice pick as it moves along. We considered this an "essential" task when setting nets as jiggers runners will hit a pressure crack in the ice and follow it very much off-course from what you plan (your described "shale ice" would be a very good candidate for directing a jigger off-course).

And for those pike that hit a net & roll up & tangle yards of it, a common kitchen fork with one tine bent around like a fish hook is the best "untangler" we have ever used, otherwise your using bare fingers...not fun when it's 25 below.

I think netting is now illegal in Alberta .


Grizz

 

[joe-nwt]

I have heard it said at ice netting insertion points when an inquisitive crown gathers that you don't need a "jigger" ...you just freeze the tow rope in a straight line above the ice, insert in the water and then push like hell...

A tip on your jigger, paint in the brightest fluorescent color you can find. The fluorescent color will reflect up through the shale or 'snow frosted" ice much easier than just a plain red or yellow painted one. One guy should follow the jigger at every stroke, you can hear the faint "click" of the ice pick as it moves along. We considered this an "essential" task when setting nets as jiggers runners will hit a pressure crack in the ice and follow it very much off-course from what you plan (your described "shale ice" would be a very good candidate for directing a jigger off-course).

And for those pike that hit a net & roll up & tangle yards of it, a common kitchen fork with one tine bent around like a fish hook is the best "untangler" we have ever used, otherwise your using bare fingers...not fun when it's 25 below.

LOL, yeah well maybe someone would try and push a rope from hole to hole where the ice is only a few inches thick, ours is about 54 inches thick. And our holes are 100yds apart. No matter what we are pulling in or out of the hole, it is at quite an angle.

Our jigger is fluorescent orange. 2 guys on the team have better hearing and are the designated followers. To me, it doesn't matter where I am, it always sounds like the knocking is coming from right under my feet.

When we ordered our kit we included to wooden-handle pickers, just so we would look professional....lol.

My only claim to fame is I have pretty tough hands and the cold doesn't bother my hands like most. The others are amazed when I wash my hands in the open hole.

 

[elimsprint]

Holy crap, it is starting!!! I just got back in the house from scaring the s**t out of some a-hole who thought he was going to poach a doe in my front yard. I saw him out the window stop his truck, look at the herd (15-20 does and fawns) lounging in the yard, turn his truck around, get out and look around rather suspiciously. I grabbed the RH and went out the basement door and around the mound that lets me get near the road without being seen. By that time he had his gun out and was loading it. I waited until he raised it and was pointing it at the deer. I then shot into the dirt bank by the ditch, not near him and yelled "What the f**k you doing?" I think he pissed his pants He threw his loaded gun in his truck, leaped in and tore off. I couldn't get down to the road fast enough to get a licence number but it was a white older dodge pickup. There's a FSR down the road from me, why would he not go in there to poach? My jeep is up in the shop and the wife is at work so I guess he thought there was no one around. I hope he learned his lesson The girls are so used to me shooting around here most of them didn't even stand up to see what the fuss was about.

 

[russm86]

I'm not a game hunter; but I have to ask why wouldn't one moose be enough, why would someone go back to kill another? I know its a stupid question. But it stands out to me.

They claimed they gave the other moose to another family member. However, a full grown moose can easily feed a couple families for a year if all parts are used. Unfortunately I have seen many instances where the so called "stewards" take the prime cuts only and leave the rest to rot. Many are also just greedy and will because they can.

 

[scruffee]

They claimed they gave the other moose to another family member. However, a full grown moose can easily feed a couple families for a year if all parts are used. Unfortunately I have seen many instances where the so called "stewards" take the prime cuts only and leave the rest to rot. Many are also just greedy and will because they can.

A cow moose can feed a few families for a few months at least... It took me three years to eat half of my last moose mixed with other game I harvested.

But you know, when you're bored and can do whatever you want in terms of hunting; COVID sounds like a good excuse to go out and shoot shyt...

 

[GUB]

They claimed they gave the other moose to another family member. However, a full grown moose can easily feed a couple families for a year if all parts are used. Unfortunately I have seen many instances where the so called "stewards" take the prime cuts only and leave the rest to rot. Many are also just greedy and will because they can.

Or feed their dogs

 

[Butcherbill]

There's no way in h**l someone should lose their life over simple trespassing or theft of "stuff". We gotta get to the bottom of this and fast.

People always say “Nothing you own is worth taking a life over...”, there’s a flip side to that statement. “Nothing I own is worth loosing your life over...”

People that steal property from hard working people are pretty low down on the value scale.

 

[45ACPKING]

I have a question. If you are Metis do you have the right to hunt wherever and whenever you want. Or would you need permission to enter private property?

As far as Private Property...… trespassing is trespassing as far as I know but in the absence of signage all bets are off in some places in this country.
Being Metis , and residing in BC , I can jump through some hoops to get a BC Metis Nation Harvester Card. It does not allow me to hunt or fish like a Status First Nations. Despite all this nonsense talk of reconciliation from the BC NDP and recognizing Indigenous rights.... Mine are not recognized as far as Section 35 of the constitution are concerned. As a Metis Hunter in BC I am expected to follow the wildlife act and yearly regulations as well as hold all licenses and tags. With the Metis Harvester Card, I can hunt migratory game birds year round..... that's it.
In other Provinces, Metis rights for hunting and fishing have been upheld and some groups have outlined territory in which they can hunt and fish as a cultural practice. I think alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba have such rights recognized and territory identified.
My thoughts on John Horgan, the BC premier's announcement that BC will be moving to recognize and protect Indigenous rights for First Nations and Metis in BC have me pondering the current system that forces me to buy a license and tags for fishing and hunting. This may be the year that I simply exercise my rights instead of playing ball with these idiot politicos who keep messing the with the hunting and doing a piss poor job of managing the land and waters combined.

 

[Gatehouse]

I don't believe for a second that some land owner just up and shot those guys for trespassing on his land. I question if there was even a "land owner" involved.

 

[GUB]

Wasn't a American Indian from Washington State claim he was from extinct tribe that use to be in B.C.??
He came to Canada to hunt illegally and get caught so he could have a trial??
And the loonie liberal judge let him off and brought a whole new tribe back into existence???
And of course they are Americans who can now hunt in Canada

 

[kiimosabe]

Wasn't a American Indian from Washington State claim he was from extinct tribe that use to be in B.C.??
He came to Canada to hunt illegally and get caught so he could have a trial??
And the loonie liberal judge let him off and brought a whole new tribe back into existence???
And of course they are Americans who can now hunt in Canada

Close but no cigar...……..when the Canadian US border was put in place it alienated the Indian people on either side from continuing to access their traditional territory. Same thing that happened with the Mohawks, hence that's why Canada and US negotiated the Jay Treaty, to allow Indians from both sides to travel freely as they did before the creation of Canada and the US....some provinces recognize the Jay Treaty some don't.

 

[tokguy]

I'm from Southeastern Alberta. There was a couple of self-described metis who went out a few years ago shot a deer and then phoned the fish cops to come and charge them. It turned out poorly for them. If I recall correctly... They can hunt on their own land or with permission but they don't get carte Blanc quite like a true indigenous person does.
Which is how it should be... The fact that you dated a native girl when you were in high school does not make you metis

 

[frabill]

As far as Private Property...… trespassing is trespassing as far as I know but in the absence of signage all bets are off in some places in this country.
Being Metis , and residing in BC , I can jump through some hoops to get a BC Metis Nation Harvester Card. It does not allow me to hunt or fish like a Status First Nations. Despite all this nonsense talk of reconciliation from the BC NDP and recognizing Indigenous rights.... Mine are not recognized as far as Section 35 of the constitution are concerned. As a Metis Hunter in BC I am expected to follow the wildlife act and yearly regulations as well as hold all licenses and tags. With the Metis Harvester Card, I can hunt migratory game birds year round..... that's it.
In other Provinces, Metis rights for hunting and fishing have been upheld and some groups have outlined territory in which they can hunt and fish as a cultural practice. I think alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba have such rights recognized and territory identified.
My thoughts on John Horgan, the BC premier's announcement that BC will be moving to recognize and protect Indigenous rights for First Nations and Metis in BC have me pondering the current system that forces me to buy a license and tags for fishing and hunting. This may be the year that I simply exercise my rights instead of playing ball with these idiot politicos who keep messing the with the hunting and doing a piss poor job of managing the land and waters combined.

Uh if it ain't your land and you're on it without permission its trespassing and it'll end badly for the trespassers.

 

[kiimosabe]

Uh if it ain't your land and you're on it without permission its trespassing and it'll end badly for the trespassers.

Think these two individuals were found dead on a road beside their truck. Highways are common use areas for all and are not private....

 

[kiimosabe]

I'm from Southeastern Alberta. There was a couple of self-described metis who went out a few years ago shot a deer and then phoned the fish cops to come and charge them. It turned out poorly for them. If I recall correctly... They can hunt on their own land or with permission but they don't get carte Blanc quite like a true indigenous person does.
Which is how it should be... The fact that you dated a native girl when you were in high school does not make you metis

You can thank the Blackfoot Indians for that. The records showed and stated as the Metis moved west they knew to avoid southern Alberta because the Blackfoot Tribe was very protective of their territory and defended as such.

 

[frabill]

Think these two individuals were found dead on a road beside their truck. Highways are common use areas for all and are not private....

They may not have died on private land but they could have been on it before they fled....