How many of the 'New Magnums' will die before the decade is out?

hunterhenderson said:
I started on .3006, and will finish with it.
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That works, and I'm glad you're not a hypocrit... some people talk the talk but don't walk the walk so to speak. Myself I own a couple of these stupid uber magnums but not cuz I bought them or wanted them they sort of got dumped here. They never come out to play and I can't wait to find buyers for them (so I can buy a decent garand or another stock Enfield)
I personally heard many arguments against going with a .204ruger a few years back, but am glad I did. The same arguments come up on the small cartridge end, and I got sick of it. Sometimes I play devils adv.
(And I love the .303brit btw). :D

It ain't one of the new ones, and it'll take a while longer, but 300 Weatherby is my vote for going Do-Do. Popularity of 300WM keeps prices lower and all you gain with the weatherby is a bunch of heat and a few fps.
 
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I think the Rum's are here to stay, and the wsm's, (yes even the .325:) ) but I have doubts on the wssm, only because Browning is the only one chambering them.
 
hunterhenderson said:
we slag em cause we dont need them....there were plenty of great calibres already, who needed more. One day the light will come on for all you that its just a way to sell more guns !!!!
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Nothing personal against hunterhenderson, but as gun owners, haven't we all had ####-head anti-gun types ask us "why do you need a gun?"
I don't need it, I want it. End of story. Any further questions?
I refuse to answer any question that begins with "Why do you need..."

I welcome any new change or advance to the sport.
And as a cartridge collector, I like to see new ones introduced.

I do believe that the shooting community is far too conservative, and unwilling to advance. The Mauser 98 is 108 years old, and is virtually unchanged.
Imagine if aircraft did not progress beyond 1908 technology, or computers stopped advancing in 1965.

As to the original question, what cartridges will die, I think that Remington has a bad habit of introducing flashy new ideas, then not supporting it in the future.
I would be very wary of buying ANY new Rem chambering until it has been on the market for a decade.
 
I have no problem with change as long as folks don't get to exited about it and start getting snobby about their new rifles. :rolleyes:
 
tootall said:
Nothing personal against hunterhenderson, but as gun owners, haven't we all had ####-head anti-gun types ask us "why do you need a gun?"
I don't need it, I want it. End of story. Any further questions?
I refuse to answer any question that begins with "Why do you need..."

I welcome any new change or advance to the sport.
And as a cartridge collector, I like to see new ones introduced.

I do believe that the shooting community is far too conservative, and unwilling to advance. The Mauser 98 is 108 years old, and is virtually unchanged.
Imagine if aircraft did not progress beyond 1908 technology, or computers stopped advancing in 1965.

As to the original question, what cartridges will die, I think that Remington has a bad habit of introducing flashy new ideas, then not supporting it in the future.
I would be very wary of buying ANY new Rem chambering until it has been on the market for a decade.
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hey Partner, we all need guns(even you) we just dont need bling calibres.......dead is dead
 
Flash back to 1920 something. Big name calibers are the 30'06 the 30/30, the 30/40, and the 303Savage.
Holy crap what do we need an up start caliber like a 270Winchester, or 250Savage for?
Old news with different players.
Get over it and accept the new calibers much like they did in the 20's, 50's and 60's.
It's fun to speculate, but come on, buy what you like and the rest will sort it's self out.
 
This magnumitise thing, makes people awful touchy.
Settle down guys, this is a discussion.
Myself, I found out this year, just how effective the little 44-40 is. It's not a magnum, hell, it's not a 30-30, but within it's range, and used properly, it's amazingly effective.
The magnums work fine, I don't think you'll get an arguement there.
But, time will tell if they live or die, and the marketplace will decide, not wether it works or not, but wether it sells or not will determine the life of death of any cartridge.
Me right now, for where, and what I hunt, a 30-30 will handle all the game I'm hunting and most of the situations a 308 to handle the rest.
Those of you west of the Ontario Border, you have a lot different hunting conditions. Some East coast and Northern hunters do too, as do some farm hunters right here in Ontario.
 
No cartridge every really dies as long as there are dies still being made for it (bad pun ;) ).

Any of the various Remington short magnums are probably the first to go. Not because they aren't good cartridges but because Remington has shown an historical tendency to dump cartridges (e.g. 5mm rimfire, 6.5 and .350 Remington) when they don't sell well.

Also, the Remington short mags haven't been picked up by other gun makers as much as the Winchester Short Mags. Thirdly, Remington as a company hasn't been exactly thriving in recent years. If the company ceases operation and their proprietary rounds haven't been picked up by other makers then it only makes sense those are the cartridges that will go first.
 
Andy said:
Pointless magnum bashing troll thread that's been done a dozen times in the past few months.
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Yeah, but it's always fun to watch grown men turn into playground boys... :p

Anyway, back on topic... I'm hoping the 7mm WSM survives long enough for me to get one to play with... :D
 
Lefty #### said:
Flash back to 1920 something. Big name calibers are the 30'06 the 30/30, the 30/40, and the 303Savage.
Holy crap what do we need an up start caliber like a 270Winchester, or 250Savage for?
Old news with different players.
Get over it and accept the new calibers much like they did in the 20's, 50's and 60's.
It's fun to speculate, but come on, buy what you like and the rest will sort it's self out.
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well said
 
Duh, like who cares? I have a good dozen obsolescent or semi-obsolescent cartridges that I handload for. I keep them because I like damn near anything that goes BANG. Mostly, I hunt with a .308 Winchester (varmints, WT, mule deer, moose, sabre-tooth sloth, etc).

As long as nobody tells me that the newest, or oldest, is no damn good, I'll never know the difference. I shoot 338 Lapua at 1000m, but am looking forward to trying my 45-70 at the same range. I think my Enfield musketoon is a dandy squirrel plinker.

Keep slagging guys, every time you do, there is usually some fool listening who will then sell me the afore-mentioned POS!
 
I'm going to interpret your question to mean: "which of the newest magnum cartridges will still be chambered in factory rifles by the end of 2010?"

In that case, here's the top tier:
.300 WSM
.270 WSM
.300 RUM
.300 RSAUM

These are locks to be chambered in mass-production factory rifles through 2010. I'd put money down that all four will be chambered for at least the next 20 years (through 2026). That's based on the realities of market pressures--how many people want these rifles, and how many have already sold.

Then there's the second tier:
7mm RSAUM
7mm WSM
7mm RUM
.325 WSM

These are massively less popular than the first tier, but will limp along through 2010 with ease. I doubt more than two will make it twenty years, however.

Then there's the third tier:
7mm RUM
.338 RUM
.375 RUM
.223 WSSM
.243 WSSM
.25 WSSM

These will _probably_ not be chambered in mass-production factory rifles by the end of 2010. All will be available in custom shop offerings, special one-off runs, and other errata, but they will all pass from the mainstream of firearms production by the end of the decade.

As they fade, brass and factory loads will become much more difficult to find, but will never disappear for good. You can still buy factory .348 Win for gods sake--obsolete doesn't really mean 'dead'.
 
John Y Cannuck said:
This magnumitise thing, makes people awful touchy.
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Yup your right there J/C... it all comes down to justification. And when terms like magnumitis are tossed out there it immediately begs for controversy. The fellas that own and use magnums are not all going to respond in a positive manner when you open with negative... whether it was meant to be humorous or not.;)

The shooters that still use old rifle technology will also rush to defend their choices as well when you call them cave men or their rifles can openers. I like to refer to it as the "John Wayne Syndrome". Which by the way is far more insidious than Magnumitis....:D

Hows that for touchy.:p
 
BIGREDD said:
The shooters that still use old rifle technology will also rush to defend their choices as well when you call them cave men or their rifles can openers. I like to refer to it as the "John Wayne Syndrome". Which by the way is far more insidious than Magnumitis....:D
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Actually using John Wayne as an comparison isn't really that accurate. He depicted characters in his movies as using the most modern technology of the day, sort of like you.

Had the pioneers of the west had the opportunity, they prolly would have used T3s in 270WSM instead of the (then cutting edge) 44/40 in lever guns. :)


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if the internet had been around 100 years ago guys would be asking how long the 30-06 would last....new whiz bang cartridge that it was at the time:rolleyes: ..if the internet had been around in 1925 guys would be asking how long the new 270 Win would last....on and on it goes.....personally, I hope they all last....the more the better.....almost every cartridge in existence duplicates another one ballistically....
 
Rembo said:
if the internet had been around 100 years ago guys would be asking how long the 30-06 would last....new whiz bang cartridge that it was at the time:rolleyes: ..if the internet had been around in 1925 guys would be asking how long the new 270 Win would last....on and on it goes.....personally, I hope they all last....the more the better.....almost every cartridge in existence duplicates another one ballistically....
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Stop_Making_ Sense...:runaway:

Besides, everyoen knows that anyone who uses a 270 is just a victim of JOC marketing hype.......:dancingbanana:
 
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