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O.K just for curiosity sake:redface:

Do you think firing a .284 bullet in a .277 rifle will damage the barrel, its a number 1 countour mountain style barrel.

There is only .007 of and inch difference and I Know the bullet WILL come out of the barrel:(

I know its a stupid question but someone must have come across this before. Or is it a tomato stake????
 
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The bullet must have sized down in the neck/leade area. The barrel may or may not have been harmed. The receiver may be OK. From your other post, I think your bolt is pooched. The casehead enclosure and extractor function are now compromised; might be possible to install a Sako style extractor, but I really don't think that this would be a good idea under the circumstances. Reattaching the bolt handle is a pain, but is certainly possible; the bolt nose damage is more serious. It is a good thing that you had this mishap with a Remington 700. It is one of the best rifles to protect the shooter when something goes badly wrong. From the standpoint of rebuilding your rifle, Remington won't sell you a bolt, and given that there was an overpressure, they may not want to see a new bolt installed in the receiver, or the barrel reused.
 
tiriaq said:
From the standpoint of rebuilding your rifle, Remington won't sell you a bolt, and given that there was an overpressure, they may not want to see a new bolt installed in the receiver, or the barrel reused.
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I was thinking about the sako extractor I hear that they machine out the bolt recess a bit and install a bushing, I'm hoping if the recess can't be fixed then this is an option. I'm not going to save the barrel, it will live out its life a fish bonker or something other than a rifle barrel.

Worst case senario I can buy a new bolt body from Midway USA or hopefully western gun parts can help me out, then send it away to get fluted.

I'll have the action checked, I'm sure its good to go but on the safe side I'll get it checked and trued.

Hoopefully its fixable, otherwise its one hell of an expensive rifle stock:rolleyes:

Brambles
 
I copied and pasted this from your other post...

I had a technical malfunction in one of my M700 rifles which cause and extreme pressure problem, bolt stuck closed, empty case stuck into the end of the bolt etc.

I froze the gun and tapped the bolt free with a rubber mallet, unfortuantly the handle came off but thats a simple fix, and fortunalty I got the bolt out of the gun. The case was stuck in the bolt recess expanded to take up all the space in the recess. The lip above the ejector is bent and curled back witch resulted in a small crack on the thin metal which had previously formed the lip above the exptractor claw.

Is there anyone capable of fixing this, its a bolt from a titanium and I want to save it if I can. I'll have to rebarrel the rifle as well so I will like the action blueprinted and checked for stretch and or any damage.


Don't install any other style of extractor in a Remington is my advice. Period.

I don't think the barrel would be damaged at all. I don't think the action is damaged at all and I would be surprised if the bolt could not be saved. The bullet will swage down to the correct size within it's own length as soon as it moves.

I don't think the bolt face or lugs are any different than any other 700 as far as the material goes, I am not sure. If you hadn't knocked the handle off it would have been cheaper to fix. A gunsmith could have removed the bolt without doing that.
 
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guntech said:
I don't think the bolt face or lugs are any different than any other 700 as far as the material goes, I am not sure. If you hadn't knocked the handle off it would have been cheaper to fix. A gunsmith could have removed the bolt without doing that.
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I know:redface: I was freakin out and I'm not one to stand idle by when there something that needs doing. Hey least I took the time to freeze it first:rolleyes:

If I can get the bolt recess back in shape and the handle silver soldered back on then I would be extatic. Right now all I care about is saving the bolt and action, I'll deal with the barrel later. I really hope your right about the bolt being repairable.
Do you know anyone who is capable of doing such a repair?

Why do you not recommend installing a Sako extractors??
 
Brambles said:
Do you know anyone who is capable of doing such a repair?

Why do you not recommend installing a Sako extractors??
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A gunsmith should examine the bolt and make a decision I think.

Sako extractors in a 700 ...

A 700 action with the original extractor system is the strongest and safest mass produced action ever made. Altering it takes away all of the safety of the original design.

The single biggest problem with installing a Sako extractor in a Remington 700 is that no one installs all of the 2 lug Sako action extractor system.

In the two locking lug actions Sako chose to add a large long piece of steel behind the extractor. It is commonly referred to as a bolt guide but it really has nothing to do with guiding the bolt, it is there to prevent the extractor from being blown out the rear of the action if there is a catastrophic case failure.

When people install a Sako extractor in a 700 action they never add this safety feature. The conversion leaves it wide open for the extractor to freely fly out of the action into anyone behind the action, if there is a catastrophic case failure.

I accept the fact that catastrophic case failures are very rare but I don't want to be responsible for a resulting injury or death. (Serious injuries have resulted from this exact situation. It has been documented on benchrest central)

Others accept the dangers and live with the conviction they will never have a catastrophic case failure, but I think most never understand the dangers and simply live with it because they don't know better - they have not made an informed decision.

The angle of ejection is also changed with the extractor conversion. If you use a 30mm scope you will find the ejected cases hit the scope turret and mark it up.
 
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i have seen this happen twice a 308 shot in a 25-06 rem 700 it got sent back yo remington were they installed a new bolt and sent it back. the last one that i saw was a parker hale in 270 that had a 308 shot thru it and it just needed a new mag and it shot fine. i would give remington a call and see what they say about installing a new bolt.
 
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Here are some pictures of the bolt, what do you think?
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By design alone Remington's engineering department just saved your sight, perhaps your ass!
My suggestion is to turn the whole rifle into a wall hanger as a reminder of what not to do to a perfectly good Remington.

Just my 2 cents worth!
 
I think it is beyond use. Contact Remington, and see what they say about fitting a new bolt. One repair would be to bore out the nose, install a collar, and a Sako style extractor. Guntech has explained why this is NOT a good idea, and why he will not do the job. The very effective Remington breeching system is toally compromised.
A customer brought in a near new 700 with a damaged nose not unlike this one. Not from an overload, but the lip was pulled out. An authorized Remington service centre quoted a price for a new bolt body. Barrelled action was sent to them, They installed a used bolt body (new condition, but had a serial # on it, so it was from another rifle) without having to do any fitting - a drop in - and charged way more than the quote, over $400. I thought my customer got thoroughly ripped off.
 
It appears most of the damage was done by pounding it apart with hammer...

I would bet there is nothing wrong with anything else.

Dave Kiff ( pacpes@medford.net ) in Oregon may be able to supply a new bolt fairly cheaply. I believe they come with the handle not yet installed.
 
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It appears most of the damage was done by pounding it apart with hammer...

I would bet there is nothing wrong with anything else.

Dave Kiff ( pacpes@medford.net ) in Oregon may be able to supply a new bolt fairly cheaply. I believe they come with the handle not yet installed.
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None of the damage was caused by the hammer, the hammer in question was a rubber mallet and the bolt handle didn't have to be tapped that hard to open the action. I'm sure the only reason the handle came off is because I froze the action prior to working on it and made the solder brittle. If you have the picture of some guy wailing on the bolt handle then your wrong, I was gentle.

The case was stuck in the bolt face and no further damage was done removing the case. All the damage you see is from the base of the case expanding and it was apparent even before the stuck case was removed fromt the bolt recess.

I have been contacted by one warrenty repair center and he says I can get a new bolt for my TI for about the same price as an installed Sako extractor, sounds good to me, and he has them in stock, an added bonus.

I'll keep ya posted
 
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I have been contacted by one warrenty repair center and he says I can get a new bolt for my TI for about the same price as an installed Sako extractor, sounds good to me, and he has them in stock, an added bonus.

I'll keep ya posted
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What does he have in stock, the new bolt or Sako extractors?
 
Have a Savage bolt head installed and build it up into a .223 or a .221 fireball.
If you were thinking of anything with more bolt thrust, I think Barry's advice is pretty sound.
 
Brambles said:
The New bolt
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I would go with the new bolt and keep your old one and sell it to someone who wants a project.

35 years ago I received a 7mm Rem Mag model 700 with the bolt jammed shut on a fired shell.

I removed the barrel and in doing so the case stayed in the bolt face and with the barrel off the bolt opened easily.

What I saw I could not believe... there was no neck on the case, it looked like a magnum case with a funny shoulder and no neck.

At first I thought the neck of the case was blown out with the bullet causing excessive pressure and locking the bolt up.

The case was stuck in the bolt face fairly tight but I was able to wiggle it free... the head of the case seemed off center and quite distorted... I looked at it carefully and the headstamp was .303 British. The case had not ruptured but had blown out and fire formed a belt and contained the pressure and the .303 bullet had exited the .7mm barrel.

I cleaned and inspected the barrel. It was fine. I stripped the bolt, inspected it and checked the headspace. It was fine. The locking lug recesses were okay.

I told the owner to stop shooting .303's in his 7mm Mag and the rifle continued to work as if nothing wrong had ever happened.

That sold me on the excellent design and strength of the 700 action. There isn't anything stronger in a mass produced factory rifle.
 
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I told the owner to stop shooting .303's in his 7mm Mag and the rifle continued to work as if nothing wrong had ever happened.

That sold me on the excellent design and strength of the 700 action. There isn't anything stronger in a mass produced factory rifle.
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Are you saying that you'd trust the 700 more than the M98 or M70?

I'm a "convinced skeptic" a regarding the 700, but I took more interest lately in them, as Winchester went out of business. Please shed some light, Guntech....
 
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I would go with the new bolt and keep your old one and sell it to someone who wants a project.
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I'm definitly going with the new bolt,
I'll probably keep the old bolt along with the barrel and maybe some day do something with them. I'm not much of a salesman so I usually end up keeping stuff.:rolleyes:

At least I'll end up with a rifle thats better than new.:)
 
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