How Much do Cheap Holsters Run?

happiness is a warm gun said:
I can't believe 18 other gunnutz missed this point!

There is no Ontario club level safety course that does holster certification at the same time. There is no holster component in the CSSA Club Level Safety Instructors Certification course.

I don't know of any club in Ontario that will allow you to walk down range wearing a holstered gun unless your actually competiting in some type of match event and you are holster certified for that disapline.

The only exception would be if your practicing alone on the fireing line and you are holster certified already for IPSC,PPC, IDPA ect and the club allows such activity by it's members that are shooting alone on the firing line. And if you did holster a gun and walk down range with it while I was shooting a non-match night, I would close down the range and send you home, then contact the club executive ASAP about your unsafe handling of firearms.

If I was still on the club executive, I would revoke your membership on the spot with no chance of appeal and return your ATT to the CFO the next day!

That guns stays on the bench, mag out, action open and unloaded when we are changing targets on club shoot nights! Your CSSA Club Level Instructor should loose his certification for even teaching his students this method.
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How come your not? Did you move away? So you would take the persons ATT from them......good luck with that...
 
"If I was still on the club executive, I would revoke your membership on the spot with no chance of appeal and return your ATT to the CFO the next day! "

Well you may have the right to kick the guy out of the club but you sure as hell have no right to seize his ATT. Bad enough we have a stupid law that requires ATT's: we don't need club nazis types playing super cop either.

At the rate this country is gong we are going to have to ask our neighbour for permission to sit on the throne!

Take Care

Bob
 
Original ATTs to tranpsport to/from club are issued to the clubs secratary and photo copies given the members.

Once you're no longer a member in good standing, we call the CFO and they will send you a letter revoking your transport ATT and we return the original to the CFO. Now if you have a border permit, that is sometimes not effected by the loss of your transport ATT, but you won't be able to shoot at any Ontario ranges.

The other thing that happens is that people join clubs just to get a handgun, then we never see them again the rest of the year. The club exec is responsible for ensuring that you are a safe and proficent shooter why applying for your ATT. We can't do that if we never see the person shoot, so clubs have sign in sheet or cards to verify that you are shooting. If members don't attend the required shoots, then memberships are canceled and the CFO pulls the ATT.

That's also why clubs have a probationary times frames for newbies and experianced new members. We have to ensure that you are a SAFE & PROFICENT shooter at all times before accepting you for full membership.

Fortunately we have only had to kick out a very small number of members over the years for being unsafe. Usually they get called before the board and raked over the coals for a first offence, depending on the nature if the incident.

Most of the time it's the other way around. The CFO will call us to advise us that a member has lost his/hers PAL/POL and the ATT has been revoked.
 
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happiness is a warm gun said:
I can't believe 18 other gunnutz missed this point!

There is no Ontario club level safety course that does holster certification at the same time. There is no holster component in the CSSA Club Level Safety Instructors Certification course.

I don't know of any club in Ontario that will allow you to walk down range wearing a holstered gun unless your actually competiting in some type of match event and you are holster certified for that disapline.

The only exception would be if your practicing alone on the fireing line and you are holster certified already for IPSC,PPC, IDPA ect and the club allows such activity by it's members that are shooting alone on the firing line. And if you did holster a gun and walk down range with it while I was shooting a non-match night, I would close down the range and send you home, then contact the club executive ASAP about your unsafe handling of firearms.

If I was still on the club executive, I would revoke your membership on the spot with no chance of appeal and return your ATT to the CFO the next day!

That guns stays on the bench, mag out, action open and unloaded when we are changing targets on club shoot nights! Your CSSA Club Level Instructor should loose his certification for even teaching his students this method.
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Thank ####ing Christ you are in Ontario. Do me a favour and ####ing stay there!!!
YOU and people like YOU are why gun owners in this country are at odds with each other and loosing ground to more and more government regulations, restrictions and bans. :mad: :mad:

happiness is a warm gun said:
Original ATTs to tranpsport to/from club are issued to the clubs secratary and photo copies given the members.

Once you're no longer a member in good standing, we call the CFO and they will send you a letter revoking your transport ATT and we return the original to the CFO. Now if you have a border permit, that is sometimes not effected by the loss of your transport ATT, but you won't be able to shoot at any Ontario ranges.

The other thing that happens is that people join clubs just to get a handgun, then we never see them again the rest of the year. The club exec is responsible for ensuring that you are a safe and proficent shooter why applying for your ATT. We can't do that if we never see the person shoot, so clubs have sign in sheet or cards to verify that you are shooting. If members don't attend the required shoots, then memberships are canceled and the CFO pulls the ATT.

Fortunately we have only had to kick out a very small number of members over the years for being unsafe. Usually they get called before the board and raked over the coals for a first offence, depending on the nature if the incident.

Most of the time it's the other way around. The CFO will call us to advise us that a member has lost his/hers PAL/POL and the ATT has been revoked.
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ONTARIO, where gun clubs have sold out their members for a piece of government control, and a chance to make a bit of coin doing it!:mad: :mad:


On topic:

imho an unloaded firearm in a holster is far safer than sitting on a bench next to ammunition. If the member is certified, and competent with a firearm, there is no reason to disallow holstering practice. If the R.O. needs to certify the firearm is clear before holstering, so be it.
 
(QOUTE)Thank f**king Christ you are in Ontario. Do me a favour and f**king stay there!!!
YOU and people like YOU are why gun owners in this country are at odds with each other and loosing ground to more and more government regulations, restrictions and bans

Unfortunatly Ontario shooters have no choice in this matter. We are living at the mercy of a Liberal PM and ATG that control the CFO. The CSSA had to develop the CSSA club level course or have the CFO do it and impliment it for us. I wish I could afford to live in another Province, but I can't. I don't like the rules any more than you do, but if I want to keep my guns then I have to jump through these Liberal hoops!

Besides this was an Ontario post, not an Alberta rant! Keep your profanities to yourself if you can't be supportive of the crap other provinces have to go through. It's not the gun owners that are at odds with each other, it's the government screwing us all around. Open your small mind and appreciate how good you have it in Alberta & BC compared to the rest of the country!
 
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So where in C 68 does it say your ATT goes to the Club Secretary. Bunch of god damm socialists. Worse yet the NFA wants all this crap to be run by gun clubs. Now there willbe a case of one step forward. two steps back.

As to cheap holsters I think the Uncle Mikes nylon holsters bought off of ebay are about as cheap as you can get.

As to what ranges do or don't do I have seen it done both ways. When we shoot IDPA/IPSC guns remain in holsters without mags. Shooting targets indoors and at commercial ranges in the US I have had to leave the handgun on the table, slide open or cylinder open, guns empty. At the one range in Arizona when you returned from setting up your target you had to stand back of your table, away from your guns. Abbotsford did it that way on Tuesday night pistol shoots as well.

Up here in Terrace we carry gun in holster, empty.

Take Care

Bob
 
happiness is a warm gun

"Besides this was an Ontario post, not an Alberta rant"

Oh this was an Ontario post. Well that explains it. Should have figured it out by the attitude of the poster where he was going to seize the ATT and return it to the CFO. Like my grand dad said, "Back in 1873 all the signs said go west young man go west. All those that could read did, those that couldn't stayed!"

Take Care

bob
 
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Christ I'm glad I live in Alberta.

Sorry happiness, but club execs like you are more than complicit in maintaining the restrictive Ontario rules. Your posts make it quite clear that far from just obeying them as ordered you're quite happy to beat your members over the head with them.
 
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Just a thought but why couldn't you join a B.C. Shooting Club. Make for a heck of a ATT and you would be within the law. Now that would be a case to take to court!

Take Care

Bob
 
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