I have a number of both non restricted and restricted, but it must be said that I shoot the non restricted much more as my gun club is quite a ways away. I think that everyone who has gone through the trouble of obtaining an RPAL should have at least one restricted firearm in their arsenal just because.
How much does classification affect your choices?
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I've said this before, but in this thread I think it bears repeating - the next socialist government we get is likely to do an end run around the protests and the orgs and everything else by simply discontinuing the issuance of restricted licenses. No new RPALS gets them what they want, eventually, and they don't have to confiscate anything from anyone - the same concept they used with prohibs on a vastly larger scale.
My thing is that I don't want to register anything. Hell, I avoided buying firearms until the LGR was repealed. I have worked for the Feds, and I've seen how they treat personal information. I've seen the disregard that public servants have for the public. I've seen how we have no property rights in this country. And so not wanting to be on a list for any future gun-grabbing or "random" searches, I didn't want to buy anything restricted. And with that in mind, I never bothered to get my RPAL.
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My girlfriend plans to get her RPAL for professional purposes. I'll probably take the restricted course with her, but I still don't have any intention of ever buying (or registering) a restricted firearm.
Yeah, you can say I'm not doing my part. I think that by demonstrating just what's already available at the NR level (M305s, RFBs, Tavors, Mini-14s, CZs, etc) we demonstrate the ridiculousness of the R/NR arbitrary distinction.
My $0.02 anyways...
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My girlfriend plans to get her RPAL for professional purposes. I'll probably take the restricted course with her, but I still don't have any intention of ever buying (or registering) a restricted firearm.
Yeah, you can say I'm not doing my part. I think that by demonstrating just what's already available at the NR level (M305s, RFBs, Tavors, Mini-14s, CZs, etc) we demonstrate the ridiculousness of the R/NR arbitrary distinction.
My $0.02 anyways...
For everyone that posted saying they won't get a restricted firearm because it's a pain in the butt going through all the hassles for the license and the ATT you are what's wrong with the firearms community in Canada and you are why we are going to lose the battle against the anti's.
I make one phone call once every few years to renew my ATT, I make a phone call to register or transfer a restricted firearm. It is more of a pain in the ass to go to Tim Hortons to buy a cup of coffee than it is to deal with a restricted firearm.
It costs a little more and takes a little more time when you are getting your license but it is worth it to add to the numbers of RPAL holders in this country. The next anti firearms government that gets into power will have a much harder time trying to take away our rights if they look at the numbers and see a large number of voters are also RPAL holders.
I maintain a membership at a gun range because it is the best place to shoot around the city and is the best facility for sighting in rifles and doing load development. It also supports the firearms community in the area.
If you say they are too expensive for something you can only use at a range then go buy a Norinco for a couple hundred dollars and be another voter they can see being pissed off if they try to take away our rights.
Having an RPAL isn't going to put you on some magic list in the hands of the government to target for home inspections and gun grabs. We still have some rights here in Canada but not if we don't stand together and fight for them.
Avoiding restricted firearms only gives the anti's more power. If we don't all stand together they will start by taking away the restricted firearms then once they get away with that they will move on to the rest of the semi auto's then to magazine fed bolt actions, then on to lever actions, then to single shots then to slingshots.
We must fight this by showing them that a large population of voters are also firearms owners.
We should also all support groups like the NFA and CSSA. If you won't fight then at least pay someone else to fight for you.
I make one phone call once every few years to renew my ATT, I make a phone call to register or transfer a restricted firearm. It is more of a pain in the ass to go to Tim Hortons to buy a cup of coffee than it is to deal with a restricted firearm.
It costs a little more and takes a little more time when you are getting your license but it is worth it to add to the numbers of RPAL holders in this country. The next anti firearms government that gets into power will have a much harder time trying to take away our rights if they look at the numbers and see a large number of voters are also RPAL holders.
I maintain a membership at a gun range because it is the best place to shoot around the city and is the best facility for sighting in rifles and doing load development. It also supports the firearms community in the area.
If you say they are too expensive for something you can only use at a range then go buy a Norinco for a couple hundred dollars and be another voter they can see being pissed off if they try to take away our rights.
Having an RPAL isn't going to put you on some magic list in the hands of the government to target for home inspections and gun grabs. We still have some rights here in Canada but not if we don't stand together and fight for them.
Avoiding restricted firearms only gives the anti's more power. If we don't all stand together they will start by taking away the restricted firearms then once they get away with that they will move on to the rest of the semi auto's then to magazine fed bolt actions, then on to lever actions, then to single shots then to slingshots.
We must fight this by showing them that a large population of voters are also firearms owners.
We should also all support groups like the NFA and CSSA. If you won't fight then at least pay someone else to fight for you.
To be honest, the only VALID reason people here that don't have a restricted firearm is because you have no interested in them.
Other than that, lot of paranoid people here and as CR5 mentioned, the process it's not that big a deal. Now like most people here, I don't favor this process, but it is what it is for now.
I suspect the same people griping about the process are the same people who don't bother trying to figure out how to post a picture in their EE ad.
Also, you are missing out on some really fun tactical and action shooting sports IMO.
Other than that, lot of paranoid people here and as CR5 mentioned, the process it's not that big a deal. Now like most people here, I don't favor this process, but it is what it is for now.
I suspect the same people griping about the process are the same people who don't bother trying to figure out how to post a picture in their EE ad.
Also, you are missing out on some really fun tactical and action shooting sports IMO.
Make little to no difference to me, as I do 99.9% of my shooting at a range. Sure, I would take non-restricted give the option, but I would rather have a lighter, shorter rifle in restricted then a longer, heavier non-restricted. It's why I re-barreled my ACR with a 12.5" vs going for the 18.6".
Another thing that is not helping at all is some of our firearms course instructors. I didn't get my rpal until about 6 months later. I went to the course with the intention of getting both endorsements. My instructor told me that warrantless searches accompanied an rpal and that I had to call the rcmp every time I wanted to go to the range. I changed my mind at the time and did some of my own research.
Now I find myself debunking these myths with new shooters. I know a handful of people who have an rpal because of me and my assurances that those are just rumors. Seriously, me, looking up these processes (ie. getting an ltatt) and having to prove to them that it is a once every few years. I don't see how our own instructors can in good conscience hurt our sport so badly.
Now I find myself debunking these myths with new shooters. I know a handful of people who have an rpal because of me and my assurances that those are just rumors. Seriously, me, looking up these processes (ie. getting an ltatt) and having to prove to them that it is a once every few years. I don't see how our own instructors can in good conscience hurt our sport so badly.
Everyone, there is great power in numbers, remember the removal of the ATT for prohibited longguns went due to very small numbers as their "reason". The more RPALS we have and the more restricted/prohibited firearms there are/remain, the better we are strengthwise.
I agree in principle, but since I don't have unlimited funds, I'm not about to use it to "up it to the man" out of spite. I'll use it in a way that is convenient (be able to bring my gun anywhere). Of course, I gladly welcome the efforts of more sacrificial folks like yourself!
Too many people want to be on the right side of the wind when it blows and be at the table that still pays. The guy is a fudd and a turd...people like that usually just do it for money!
I agree in principle, but since I don't have unlimited funds, I'm not about to use it to "up it to the man" out of spite. I'll use it in a way that is convenient (be able to bring my gun anywhere). Of course, I gladly welcome the efforts of more sacrificial folks like yourself!
You are on the internet, you will be one step behind us if that my friend, everything we do is becoming or is recorded these days...
Well, for me right now classification majorly affects my choices. I already built exactly the AR I want to use at the range, so I don't really feel the need to get another restricted rifle that going to be very similar. Okay, I'll admit, there are some I do want to get, but not enough to put in an order for one.
Now, an SG542, that's definitely on my list and I would hunt me some deer with it. So tempted, but wheels need to come first.
Now, an SG542, that's definitely on my list and I would hunt me some deer with it. So tempted, but wheels need to come first.
As of right now wont buy another restricted firearm in canada to much hassal with registration and all the regs behind it. Instead have an AR and AK down in the states that I use whenever im down there and for now thats good enough for me.
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Sad , but true......but I am certainly doing my part to ensure that it does not happen......
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I find the whole R/NR debate a frustrating one...I support those that choose to own R firearms, but I have no interest myself in being on the R registry....especially with the CPC's plans to "privatize" it's functions (Check into CPC MP Cheryl Gallant's proposal)....nor am I particularly interested in little handguns and/or the AR-15. I already have one: in .177.
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There is an argument that's made that "the more of us that have rPals, the more expensive it becomes and so the gov't will scrap it". No, the more expensive it gets, the closer the CPC gets to the reality of "privatizing" it. And privatization means "for-profit". And where, exactly, do you think that profit will be coming from??
This idea that I (we) should get our rPal, and join y'all on the registry is, IMO, misguided. Yes, there is a saying that there is strength in numbers: I say it a lot in the form of "united we stand...".
But there is ANOTHER saying: "misery loves company"...and right now, I am not interested in being on the registry list (that is probably going to be privatized, and so instead of a phone call when it expires, we get what? Blackwater kicking in our doors??). It is enough that I have a PAL, that's all the info the gov't needs.
I have no interest in pistols; I am a target shooter, milsurp collector, and wannabee marksman- I watch the hand gunners at my range emptying mags at human cut-outs 5 meters away and just shake my head. However, I support their ownership rights...and gladly accept their offer to have a "go" once in a while. Personally, I don't see the big attraction with hand guns...each to our own, though, says I.
Not do I favour these little tiny short-barreled rifles...I'm a fairly big guy, and, to me, these little miniature ARs with their 10 inch barrels remind me of the SNL skit, "big man in a little coat" with Chris Farley. They have become like cell phones in the 2000's: how much smaller can we make them!?
Hahaha....Zoolander with a mini rifle!
Nor am I particularly interested in the .223 as a round....but that's another issue.
The VZ58 is plenty small enough for me, and, in fact, this fall I used it deer hunting for the first time.
At one point, I though about getting an rPal out of "solidarity"...but, that's a "commie" term, so I didn't!
I would consider it, but someone posted that if you have an rPal, you should/must have at least one R firearm (??)
That doesn't sound like "united we stand" to me, that sounds more like "misery loves company".
No thanks.
;-)
There is an argument that's made that "the more of us that have rPals, the more expensive it becomes and so the gov't will scrap it". No, the more expensive it gets, the closer the CPC gets to the reality of "privatizing" it. And privatization means "for-profit". And where, exactly, do you think that profit will be coming from??
This idea that I (we) should get our rPal, and join y'all on the registry is, IMO, misguided. Yes, there is a saying that there is strength in numbers: I say it a lot in the form of "united we stand...".
But there is ANOTHER saying: "misery loves company"...and right now, I am not interested in being on the registry list (that is probably going to be privatized, and so instead of a phone call when it expires, we get what? Blackwater kicking in our doors??). It is enough that I have a PAL, that's all the info the gov't needs.
I have no interest in pistols; I am a target shooter, milsurp collector, and wannabee marksman- I watch the hand gunners at my range emptying mags at human cut-outs 5 meters away and just shake my head. However, I support their ownership rights...and gladly accept their offer to have a "go" once in a while. Personally, I don't see the big attraction with hand guns...each to our own, though, says I.
Not do I favour these little tiny short-barreled rifles...I'm a fairly big guy, and, to me, these little miniature ARs with their 10 inch barrels remind me of the SNL skit, "big man in a little coat" with Chris Farley. They have become like cell phones in the 2000's: how much smaller can we make them!?
Hahaha....Zoolander with a mini rifle!
Nor am I particularly interested in the .223 as a round....but that's another issue.
The VZ58 is plenty small enough for me, and, in fact, this fall I used it deer hunting for the first time.
At one point, I though about getting an rPal out of "solidarity"...but, that's a "commie" term, so I didn't!
I would consider it, but someone posted that if you have an rPal, you should/must have at least one R firearm (??)
That doesn't sound like "united we stand" to me, that sounds more like "misery loves company".
No thanks.
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What hassle though is there really?
Besides being a range gun that is it! What an extra trigger lock to much for you, do you shoot at a range ever? If you don't I see your point.
