How much energie is needed to take down a moose?

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Hi all,

I have seen it somewhere but can't find it anymore :confused: .

How much energie or take down power is recommended to cleanly take down a moose, an elk, a bear and a deer?

A well placed shot is very important but knowing the power needed to dispatch big game can also help as how far your rifle/caliber is able to do the job.

Thanks to all
 
rough guideline is 800-1000 ft lbs of impact energy for deer, 1500-1700 for anything bigger. of course bullet placemen & construction is more important, but most any cartridge will reach these levels.
 
Energy isn't really a good way to go, otherwise one might get the impression that if a 308 is god for moose at 300 yards, then a 22-250 would be good point-blank
 
How much power?

prosper said:
Energy isn't really a good way to go, otherwise one might get the impression that if a 308 is god for moose at 300 yards, then a 22-250 would be good point-blank
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I understand what you're writing and it does make sense but does not help to determine how much power is needed to respectly and cleanly take mr moose out. The logic using a 22-250 for moose is not really there so let say with a 7MM cal and up ;) .

The whole reason is that I have many rifle to hunt with and would like to know what is the maximum distance I could safely use them for big game. It's easy to say 200yds for the 308, 300yds for the 7MMRemMag but without knowing the power needed, it's just speculation.

So if it's 1500lbs for moose, then It gives me a good idea with ballistic table to determine the maximum reach they would all have. If one morning I use my 45-70 I could know in advance it's maximum shooting distance depending on bullet weight and velocity :cool: .

I also understand that a well placed shot with a smaller caliber can do the job, all have heard of moose taken down with a 22, 223, 243win, but let stay with appropriate caliber for this one.

Keep them comming :D
 
No doubt many have heard of the guy who says you can cleanly take deer with some of the hotter .22 centerfires as long as you hit the deer anywhere in the eye.Well that really rings true if you are stupid enough to try it but the question remains how many deer must endure a senseless and needlessly long death before it finally clicks to that "hunter" that there must be a better way to take the animal.Personally I've seen too many of those so called "trick" shooters who don't have a clue what it is to have the priviledge to hunt in this land and the respect animals are due.People like that are just one shot away from lowering themselves to that of a poacher whose ethics are dangerously close to criminal and for that matter illegal.We've all heard of the guy who pulled off a fantastic shot at a big game animal way out in the next county but those "stupids" don't realise that the work begins when the animal drops and if the animal is beyond reach within a short period of time that the animal may well spoil in warmer weather or if lets say the moose dropped in a swamp and is not recoverable.Much of this I've learned from errors of my own but never repeated but I still see much of the stupidity ongoing.I've seen moose shot intentionally in the gut just so it would walk to a more convenient spot for the poacher to load his illegal quarry and vanish.To learn the ways and habits of your quarry is far more rewarding than any bragging shot because anyone can pull off an accurate shot but it's how the animal is treated after the shot that really determines the quality of the meat.Hunter ethic is an aquired attribute that comes only with much time in the woods and with someone who takes on the role of mentor and those mentors are rapidly dissappearing from the hunt.
jackpine
 
Cousin is a moose biologist with MNR Ontario, he says accepted energy to cleanly kill a moose is 1200 fplbs. I believe deer was 800 fplbs.

Andy
 
This thread got started off on the wrong question. The problem in moose hunting isn't "how much energy does it take to put a moose down" but rather "how much energy does it take to get the !@#$ thing back to the truck"... :p
 
This is a subject that makes the rounds every few months and it just irks me no end that someone says that there is a energy level needed to kill a certain game animal. The bowhunters statements show that energy is a poor factor to use in judging game killing ability. Place a bullet or arrow in the proper place so it disrupts the central nervous system or causes massive haemmorhage, and the game is dead, period. I do not advocate 22 centerfires for big game, because of the poor bullets often loaded in these plus a quite small wound channel, but from 6mm up, you can kill our non-dangerous game with a well placed shot, and energy be da**ed. That being said, I do prefer 6.5 and up for Elk and moose. Regards, Eagleye
 
Ditto Eagleeye. and remember that you can get a 22 centerfire up to energy levels that surpass a 45-70....

But which do you want to shoot amoose wiht?:D
 
I really want to download some pics of bow hunters in a cannoe putting some of those Arrows with REALLY REALLY big expanding broadheads into some Hipos just for the fun of it!

Then tell me about muzzel energy again. I'm sure you bow hunters have some Rino busters as well. We are not going to talk about Elephants because I know they have been taken with a bow! PLEASE!!

Bob
 
It seems to me in a book by Craig Boddington that he recomended 1000lbs deer, 2000lbs moose/elk although I would say the 2000 was more for elk and you would be fine at 1500 for moose as they seem a little easier to kill.
 
The question in the original post was completely valid and required only a simple answer.
The question does not beg for a comparison between archery and gun, there can be no comparison as they are completely different ways of killing!
Broad heads kill by cutting blood vessels and causing hemorrhage, unlike the energy or shock of bullets.
Foot pounds of energy is not the only way to judge ability to kill but it has traditionally been used as a benchmark in comparison of rifle calibers and their suitability for various game animals. Dismissing this common form of reference or comparing it to archery is simply put.... stupid.:rolleyes:

I have read various energy values for elk... usually in the 1500-2000 ft lb range.
 
Foot pounds of energy is not the only way to judge ability to kill but it has traditionally been used as a benchmark in comparison of rifle calibers and their suitability for various game animals. Dismissing this common form of reference or comparing it to archery is simply put.... stupid
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Seems some systems are better, Taylor Knock Out factor, Momentum. At least the Taylor system also includes the SD of the bullet.
 
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