^ this 100%. But there's no doubting how much surplus equipment and small arms are left in warehouses.
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How much is that SKS from Ukraine actually worth you ask?
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^ this 100%. But there's no doubting how much surplus equipment and small arms are left in warehouses.
Lying Russian blogger?!?!? Say it ain't so?!? But Dimitri Peskov said the Russians never lie to anyone... about anything... especially not to foreign governments or their nationals. Next thing you know someone will tell me that Santa Claus isn't real.
And I had my heart set on a brand new MIG 29, in the crate, for oh, 'bout the same as a used Toyota pickup.
I'm not surprised that Moscow continues its steady stream of B.S. After all, it's worked for them for more than a century. Why quit now?
Idk man, Santa is alive and well, he has a decent sized milsurp collection. Ever heard of a North-Pole SKS? They are super rare.
That reminds me, I'm gonna list mine on the EE. It's got the candy cane striped camo.
Here is Santa's personal SKS...
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.....and of course there's no corruption in that shining beacon of democracy we know as Ukraine.
Super-rare candy striped all-matching tacti-cool SKS !!!!
You de man!!!
I'm surprised Kim-Jong-Un hasn't missed it yet!!!
You de man!!!
I'm surprised Kim-Jong-Un hasn't missed it yet!!!
Idk man, Santa is alive and well, he has a decent sized milsurp collection. Ever heard of a North-Pole SKS? They are super rare.
That reminds me, I'm gonna list mine on the EE. It's got the candy cane striped camo.
Here is Santa's personal SKS...
Not sure where you got that from. Ukraine is riddled with corruption, not too strangely connected to the privatization of state-owned industries following the collapse of the Soviet Union and developing in parallel with organized crime in the former USSR's oil-rich republics. It is mostly a conflict between rival criminal enterprises. No need to create an alternate-universe bullsh*t story. Ukraine's oligarchs and Quislings are their people's second-worst enemy.
angrysoldier
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I have talked with the largest importer of ammunition in 2008 about importing sea cans of surplus 762x54 and 762x39 and the break down of the prices showed me the retailers in Canada making 300-400 % profit on surplus ammo.
I posted the results here on cgn and a few retailers here told me not so politely not to go through with my idea. My idea was simple, to flood the market with cheap surplus. My goal was to make 10 dollars a case on ammo. I'm not out to get rich as I already have a fair amount of personnel wealth.
The prices in the video are not real world prices but in reality they are not far off. In one Ukrainian salt mine Sat over 3 million small arms, most are gone now. But ask yourself, how many more salt mines are out there? How many trillions of rounds are just in storage?
Food for thought.
I posted the results here on cgn and a few retailers here told me not so politely not to go through with my idea. My idea was simple, to flood the market with cheap surplus. My goal was to make 10 dollars a case on ammo. I'm not out to get rich as I already have a fair amount of personnel wealth.
The prices in the video are not real world prices but in reality they are not far off. In one Ukrainian salt mine Sat over 3 million small arms, most are gone now. But ask yourself, how many more salt mines are out there? How many trillions of rounds are just in storage?
Food for thought.
The soviet military stuff sold for nothing contain the sweat and blood of soviet people. To sustain military industry they lived in misery.
Crapy housing, crapy clothes, bad food, no comodities on the store. Was a sacrificed generation for making guns and offer them almost for free to the Third World to sustain "world revolution".
Not sure how you missed the sarcasm...
There are a lot of things like that video that are as close to absolutely true as you can't/won't/don't want to believe: the price quoted in that video is the price (or likely close) of them in storage, in unopened crates, without so much as turning the lights on to the road that heads towards the storage location (that the Ukraine government values them at). It is the same thing with the Mastercraft screwdriver on the shelf at Crappy Tire: someone who does "by the sea can load" imports from Asia (looked at importing a mini van) once told me they were worth $0.22USD on the factory floor in tubs at the Taiwan factory. However, just like those small arms for example, that price goes up the second someone has to take them out of the tub to package them... then up more for the packaging cost... up more to crate those packages... up more to load them into a pallet... up more to truck them to a sea can... and on and on and on. Now we go to the Crappy Tire down the road and they are $5.49CAN on the shelf.
I have no irrefutable proof of such things, but Asian labor and Eastern ex-Bloc country goods are insanely cheap sitting in bulk. The biggest costs are handling and markup, most of which is when Western countries do it (North America, Europe).
Sad, in a way, the U.S. Is doing the same, but just hasn't fallen,,, yet! With this President, who knows, he is pissing off pretty much everyone in the world!
I lost all sense of "ha ha" on this topic.
As for the true cost of things, anyone who has imported anything from a third world country expects to earn a very healthy margin.
New production in China or India will be accompanied by dirt-cheap cost and high margins when sold in Canada or the US.
Com-Bloc surplus is its own thing.
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Dexter Morgan
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Those prices are the amounts paid to the government from the exporting company.
If you did deep enough;
You'll probably find that the owners of the exporting company are the same politicians who are selling the weapons on behalf of the government.
We have the exact same thing here with all of our "Green Energy" scams.
If you did deep enough;
You'll probably find that the owners of the exporting company are the same politicians who are selling the weapons on behalf of the government.
We have the exact same thing here with all of our "Green Energy" scams.
So, to be clear:
-Are those prices the final price, or the cut that the Ukrainian gov gets back from the private firm doing the selling?
-I notice the RUSSIAN blogger refers to the battle in Ukraine as a "civil war". Is this guy neutral in his reporting?
-He claims of sales to ISIS. Any verifiable reports of this?
-Are those prices the final price, or the cut that the Ukrainian gov gets back from the private firm doing the selling?
-I notice the RUSSIAN blogger refers to the battle in Ukraine as a "civil war". Is this guy neutral in his reporting?
-He claims of sales to ISIS. Any verifiable reports of this?
The standard Kremlin line is that it is a "civil war" being fought by coal miners and tractor drivers against a "fascist junta" in Kiev.
There are (independently verified) at least ten thousand Russian Armed Forces regulars as well as special forces on Ukrainian soil, supported, in some critical clashes, by artillery fired from the Russian side of the border, Russian regulars involved in and getting Russian Armed Forces decorations for "combat in support of the Fatherland" inside Ukraine, involvemement of new Russian weapons systems which had never been exported to Ukraine, deployment and use of Russian antiaircraft systems with Russian crews (this is currently the subject of criminal proceedings in the International Court of Justice) and was, of course, how Malaysian flight MH-17 was shot down, with the loss of 298 civilians on board.
The Kremlin is involved up to its eyeballs and continues to spin a bullsh*t story denying any involvement in fomenting the conflict and supplying arms as well as Russian regulars and mercenaries to fight on Ukrainian soil.
They are doing the same in Georgia, Chechnya, Moldova and Ukraine. And everywhere it's deny, deny, deny and issue your military medals for taking part.
It suits the Kremlin to spin it as a "civil war".
There are (independently verified) at least ten thousand Russian Armed Forces regulars as well as special forces on Ukrainian soil, supported, in some critical clashes, by artillery fired from the Russian side of the border, Russian regulars involved in and getting Russian Armed Forces decorations for "combat in support of the Fatherland" inside Ukraine, involvemement of new Russian weapons systems which had never been exported to Ukraine, deployment and use of Russian antiaircraft systems with Russian crews (this is currently the subject of criminal proceedings in the International Court of Justice) and was, of course, how Malaysian flight MH-17 was shot down, with the loss of 298 civilians on board.
The Kremlin is involved up to its eyeballs and continues to spin a bullsh*t story denying any involvement in fomenting the conflict and supplying arms as well as Russian regulars and mercenaries to fight on Ukrainian soil.
They are doing the same in Georgia, Chechnya, Moldova and Ukraine. And everywhere it's deny, deny, deny and issue your military medals for taking part.
It suits the Kremlin to spin it as a "civil war".
Why do we have that political diatribe here? This forum is on Red Rifles not on politics. You should ventilate yourself on the "Off Topics" section.
Seriously, I don't know who invited these dipsh!ts to ruin the party. You all know absolute jack squat about the Ukrainian issue you seemed to have brought up out of no premise.
We're not talking about some Russian conspiracy here so keep that crap off this thread. The dude in the video is basing his pricing claims based on a leaked document, and not from some Russian propaganda source. Idiots.
We're not talking about some Russian conspiracy here so keep that crap off this thread. The dude in the video is basing his pricing claims based on a leaked document, and not from some Russian propaganda source. Idiots.
There is only one, in Soledar, Ukraine. And it's a centralized storage facility of DoD, built in former salt mines. They had another storage site in Negin, which was decommissioned in 2012 as all surplus was either sold or utilized.
USSR leftover ammo was all gone by the end of 2015, as Ukraine has no manufacturing capacity, and the only ammo factory was moved to Russia. While they kept buying 5.45x39 from former Warsaw pact countries, they are having some severe problems with 7.62x54R which is used at much higher rate, being machine gun ammo.
