How much power is too much?

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I'm in the market to buy a "permanent" higher end scope for my rifle. I would ideally like to do everything from hunting to precision shooting / comps...

That being said, I was wondering if it would be best to stick in the 3-15ish range of power, or go up to the 6-25ish range for my needs.

Rifle is a Rem700 .308 in an McM A4... rifle weight will be decent enough to absorb recoil, and I'm not worried about weight hunting.

Thanks, Craig
 
What kind of hunting do you do where you aren't worried about weight?

This ^^ and what type of terrain? If its dense bush you will never use the higher end of the range. Are you looking to hunt in several different terrains such as the plains, the foothills, and dense bush? If you are then a good all around optic with low magnification will be of more importance than the high end.

TDC
 
In all honesty it's probably a naive proposition, as I have not done a lot of hunting myself, however, I don't mind having weight slung on my back.. and the rifle is heavy enough anyway to make a medium / large scope weight negligible.
 
This ^^ and what type of terrain? If its dense bush you will never use the higher end of the range. Are you looking to hunt in several different terrains such as the plains, the foothills, and dense bush? If you are then a good all around optic with low magnification will be of more importance than the high end.

TDC

So far I've got Moose hunting in northern Manitoba, and Deer hunting in the south booked with the family. So I suppose the one would be very dense bush, and the later is pretty open.
 
hey Craif, as I've found over the years. you rifles weight means squat..provided it's balanced evenly... As for optics.. depends on range you're shooting. Under 200yards. 12X is plenty if you can acquire your target quickly. If you're going out 600+ yards.. then there's never enough power.
 
If I could only have one scope, I'd probably be pretty happy with the Bushy 6500 in the 4.5x-30x 50. I have the 2.5x-16x 32 and it's a very nice bit of glass; but now I wish I'd have popped for the same magnification but the 50mm objective to get a bit better low light performance.
 
I shoot the S&B 5 - 25 X 56mm PM-II.........Love it.....:D

I find I shoot mostly at 12X..............I have shot using 25X at the BCRA Tac Rifle Championships for some of the very small targets........but on a really hot day 25X is useless.....unless you like mirage..... ;)...........Also having 25X is nice to be able to check your target without switching to your spotting scope.........I personally like having that range of power........
 
So far I've got Moose hunting in northern Manitoba, and Deer hunting in the south booked with the family. So I suppose the one would be very dense bush, and the later is pretty open.

hey Craif, as I've found over the years. you rifles weight means squat..provided it's balanced evenly... As for optics.. depends on range you're shooting. Under 200yards. 12X is plenty if you can acquire your target quickly. If you're going out 600+ yards.. then there's never enough power.

Lets keep in mind that just because you can identify your target at 600 yards doesn't mean your cartridge and your skill set can make a safe ethical kill at that range. Everyone likes a challenge, and retelling the single shot kill you made at 600 would be a nice topper. But the reality is, few have the skills to make such a shot under pressure of a limited time frame, possible visibility issues, wind, and shooter fatigue.

Lots of magnification is great, if you're not shooting offhand or in dense bush. As the OP posted, he's already booked hunts in two very different types of terrain. That being the case, I suspect he's looking for a more general purpose magnification range to suit both(or more) roles adequately. As I mentioned earlier, I would focus on the low end of the magnification as the priority. Limiting your shots because of lack of magnification is a rare bird. Especially when you factor in your cartridge, the wind, and your ability. Limiting your shots because your low end magnification is still too high, causing tunneling, excessive movement from any position other than prone/supported, is both common and a show stopper. You can't make an honest attempt at a shot when you can't see through the shakes or find the target in the narrow field of view often encountered on optics with relatively high magnification low ends(that was confusing to type). Targets outside your magnification range or nearing its limit are still a possibility if you do your part. In reality, most optics will offer acceptable capability well beyond the cartridge, the shooter, or both.

Personal skill set and cartridge will be the governor on this selection. Be honest with yourself and your ability to spot, identify, and make first round hits on your intended targets at extended range. Only then will you be able to narrow down your selection of magnification ranges. Cost of the optic also plays a role.

Bottom line and my personal opinion. For the cartridge you're running I would stick to an optic that is capable of 500 yard shots or closer(without knowing your skill set). Again, in my opinion, I would look at something that tops out at around 15x with a low end no higher than 4x. There's lots of slection in the 3-15 or 2.5-15 range. If you could find something lower without losing the high end, I say go for it.

TDC

ETA: Keep in mind, a 15x optic makes a 500 yard shot appear(visually) to be a 33 yard shot with the naked eye.
 
TDC - Thanks for the insight. Chances are you're probably correct that I will be making more use of the low end band of magnification than the higher for the first bit. As much as I would like to dream about the long shot, in reality its just not going to happen for the forseeable future.

I will keep my eye out for something in that range... now I just need to figure out what scope.. but that's another day. Thanks everyone!
 
TDC - Thanks for the insight. Chances are you're probably correct that I will be making more use of the low end band of magnification than the higher for the first bit. As much as I would like to dream about the long shot, in reality its just not going to happen for the forseeable future.

I will keep my eye out for something in that range... now I just need to figure out what scope.. but that's another day. Thanks everyone!

You asked a common but often difficult to answer question. Hopefully the info within this thread and others will help prevent you from purchasing something that fails to meet your needs and expectations. As for scope brand, that's something you will have to decide based on features, price and power range. You indicated that you want a "permanent" high end scope... for your rifle. That being the case, don't be turned off by the prices of some brands. A good rifle and a good shooter can be sabotaged by poor optics. Don't forget that optics are removable so you can change them or move them to a different rifle later if desired.

TDC
 
hey Craif, as I've found over the years. you rifles weight means squat..provided it's balanced evenly... As for optics.. depends on range you're shooting. Under 200yards. 12X is plenty if you can acquire your target quickly. If you're going out 600+ yards.. then there's never enough power.

Spoken like someone who has never gone sheep hunting!

I know not everyone is a sheep hunter. However a big, heavy rifle wears on you after a day of walking no matter where you are hunting.
 
I had the issue ... what power do I want. I bought a 22-250 and wanted to have good sight at closer ranges and at distance. Ended up going with a Swarovski 6F 2.5 x 15 x 44 ... and am very happy with it. Sure the high magnifcation would be nice but ideally I wouldn't use it as much as lower end mag's and from looking through some scopes I didnt want to go higher than 4 on the low end.
 
I'm in the market to buy a "permanent" higher end scope for my rifle. I would ideally like to do everything from hunting to precision shooting / comps...

That being said, I was wondering if it would be best to stick in the 3-15ish range of power, or go up to the 6-25ish range for my needs.

Rifle is a Rem700 .308 in an McM A4... rifle weight will be decent enough to absorb recoil, and I'm not worried about weight hunting.

Thanks, Craig

I have a VX3 2.5 - 8x on my 308. I hunt with 2.5x 99% of the time except the last season while moose hunting when I cranked it up to 8X. The B&C reticle made the long shot easy to manage.

Both weight and size are important factors for a full days hunt walking.

TDC has given you a lot of good advice. Spend your money on a good quality scope.
 
You mentioned that you want to do competitive shooting with this rifle. This means that you will need something that is readily adjustable -- and repeatable, with target knobs. Something that is designed for precision shooting at longer ranges. For this purpose, you'd be well served with something that has a top end of at least 14x to 18x.

For hunting, you'll need something with a bottom end of around 3x or 4x.

This scope is going to be heavier and more expensive than a standard hunting scope because you are going to use it in formal competition against top shooters, and it will need to be rugged and repeatable after being clicked up and down, left and right, thousands of times.

With these parameters in mind, there are a number of scopes that fit the bill. Leupold makes a 4.5x-14x, which can be had with target kobs and different reticles, and that would be a top choice. In fact, give what you've said, I would consider this to be the starting point -- the standard against which other choices are compared.

Nightforce also makes one in this power range range, and it is likely the best (or almost the best) that money can buy, and it will work perfectly. If you can afford a Nightforce, go for it!

In the end, it comes down to which you plan to do most -- competitive shooting or hunting. If you are going to do more competitive shooting with the rifle, then you might want to edge closer to a 6.5-20. (I have one of these in a Leupold Vari-X III, and it is the finest scope I own, but it is on a single-shot target rifle.) On the other hand, if your main interest is hunting, then something like the 4.5-14 or thereabouts might be best.

You should also think carefully about the reticle. A simple Duplex is great, but some of the newer reticles (including mildots) work well and can be a real benefit once you become an experienced long range shooter.
 
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