How much to build the beast ?

Stock, Action, Barrell, Trigger, Scope, Mounts everything.
I'd like to see what people think here.
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I just noticed in this thread that some posters are cheaping out on their prices. They don't include rings, or scopes, or maybe even the overpriced mechanical front rest that supports everything.

Just noticing...
 
Terry Perkins said:
I just noticed in this thread that some posters are cheaping out on their prices. They don't include rings, or scopes, or maybe even the overpriced mechanical front rest that supports everything.

Just noticing...
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Rings (as bases) can run from $25-$200 I picture this as a personal choice although it does add to the cost.

For mine I already had a scope from a different rifle so I don't factor that in plus, like the rings, scopes can vary in price from $400 for a starter scope to $3500+ for the best of the best.

My front rest (Rempel Bi-pod) gets stretched between 5 rifles so the cost is spread across.

If someone is getting into the game for a complete 1st time, balls to the walls, setup.....I would hate to scare the pants off a potential new F-Classer by adding up every bit and piece including the shooting mat, spotting scope, gear bag, range cart, gun case, etc which are not added to the price either. :D

For sh1ts and giggles:

Rifle build - $2300
Rempel Bi-pod and adapter - $450
Shooting mat - $75
Spotting Scope - $1200
TPS Rings - $100
NF BR 12-42x56 - $1500 (cost to me when I got them)
Range Cart (not homemade) - $200
Spotting Scope Stand - $300
Gun Case - $250
New travel trailer to make it to all the shoots - $24,000
Divorce when you shoot too much and neglect the "little lady" - $200,000+
New house because the wife got the house and you got screwed - $350,000+
New dog (yup....she gets that too) $350+

Lets add this up:

Total Cost to "Build the Beast" - $580,725.00 give or take.....

:kickInTheNuts: :p :p :p
 
Terry Perkins said:
I just noticed in this thread that some posters are cheaping out on their prices. They don't include rings, or scopes, or maybe even the overpriced mechanical front rest that supports everything.

Just noticing...
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Guns are cheap when you add up and compare against all the reloading nick nacks, components, range fees and other doddads that go along with shooting. At least thats what I find and I can't shoot for chit and have not a competitive bone in my body. I cannot hazard a guess at what the guys who take this stuff seriously spend on the additional stuff.
 
Then throw in (inc taxes) ...

Reloading press: $350
Powder Dispenser $350
Lapua Brass $1.00 each
Dies $300 inc bushing
Calipers $150
Comparators $50
Trimmer $120
Run Out Gauge $150
Neck Thicness Gauge $275
Neck trimmer $160
Powder per lbs $40 (X~30 =$1200)
Bullets 45 - 55/box ~ $3500 (right now)
primers ($40 per 1000) ~900
Priming tool $100
Shell holder set $150

Assorted doo dads
Such as bullet puller
Case stuck puller
funnels, volume dispensers,
Case lube, beam scale

Maybe another $300?

.... And you wonder why I question the absurdity of spending that sort of infrastructure money on feeding a $350 rifle.
 
Obtunded said:
.... And you wonder why I question the absurdity of spending that sort of infrastructure money on feeding a $350 rifle.
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I doubt anyone really does. Its just some of us got so carried away buying reloading equipment that a $350 rifle is all we can afford. :D
 
Already had the reloading sh&t so ,
Remington SPS off EE $525
Falcon Menace and rings $550
AI stock$ 1150 minus the SPS stock $30 and the HS stock $325
20MOA base $135
Having a blast, priceless and I'm hitting the black at all ranges with my best round at 900m and that was with the H S stock.Learning something new is the best part.

If you arleady have a AR get A target upper for $1100 and all you need is a scope.
 
Obtunded said:
.... And you wonder why I question the absurdity of spending that sort of infrastructure money on feeding a $350 rifle.
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Cause it works really well :nest::runaway:

and drives shooters who spend 3 times as much nuts :D:dancingbanana:

But then there are enough shooters who think building a competitive F Open rifle on ANY factory action silly.

And we know that doesn't hold water either. 1/4 min is 1/4 min no matter how much or little you spend.

Depending on what chamber you choose and how much you intend to practise, add the cost of 1 to 3 barrels/reloading components per season

Yes, it is expensive BUT there are precious few sports where you can compete at and win at the international level on a middle income budget.

Jerry
 
Wasn't last years FTR winner at the Farky using a Savage?

You'll have to look south to see quite a number of them being used in local, regional , and national matches. I am sure there are others across Canada too as the stuff I have sold isn't likely sitting in closets.

2009 was a good year for the Brand with several US records in mid range matches being set by the Savage. Might still have the report on the Hornady website. There certainly are a few on the Savage site.

A number of the top US national and international matches were won by Team Savage using 'factory' rifles. There should also be some reports on the Berger site.

6mmBR.com has reports and articles on good shooting Savages - just have to root through their archives.

And these are the results I have been able to easily find. Can't be bothered tracking every win or showing.

Aren't you tired of trying to put down this action and concept? Guess not.

The process works. It works for a lot of shooters as component suppliers suggest - more producing stuff all the time (wonder why?). Even popular press are singing their praises (for what that is worth) So the overall trend towards accepting this rifles as a viable accurate platform with positive features is well underway.

How many 'new' rifles use the barrel nut install in some way shape or form? Some are pretty darn pricey items too.

Does it appeal to everyone, of course not. No more so then tuning a Rem is considered by many to a be a waste of time and money.

So different strokes for different folks.

The one thing that needs to be accepted is the Savage prefit barrels can and do provide 1/4 min performance in an inexpensive and accessible platform. If cost is a major hinderance to F class growth, then embracing anything that will keep shooting costs down SHOULD be a good thing.

I really don't know if you have ever tried a properly set up Savage. Cause it would be hard for me to see how you could be so negative if you actually have.

No the trigger can't be tuned to 1.5oz but I find triggers under 4 oz too light anyways.

But for ease to assemble and tune, consistent lock up, handle very toasty loads, and shoot consistently without breaking the bank, I am most certainly not the only one posting these results.

Every now and then, we find products that perform outside their price point. These are the products I recommend most often. I can certainly sell the more expensive stuff but when asked "how can I get started without breaking the bank", I know what I am going to recommend and know the shooter is going to have good stuff that is fully competitive.

And I know because, I use them and put holes in paper to find out.

Has been my point of view in all of my postings and I am not likely to change anytime soon.

True performance at the lowest possible budget is what puts a smile on my face and hopefully, more shooters on the line.

YMMV.
Jerry
 
Jerry, to be truly competitive, and have a full set up, what pecentage of the total cost would the rifle represent? Not just for F-Class, but for long range in general? A guy still has to drop some serious coin on decent equipment to be able to shoot LR. No?

R.
 
Rman said:
Jerry, to be truly competitive, and have a full set up, what pecentage of the total cost would the rifle represent? Not just for F-Class, but for long range in general? A guy still has to drop some serious coin on decent equipment to be able to shoot LR. No?

R.
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To be truly competitive, a shooter has to know how to dope conditions!!!!!

All the gear in the world for a shooter that can't tell a change in wind and results will be poor.

To get that level of skill requires shooting - ALOT of shooting. That is the true cost of being competitive - practise, practise, practise.

If you have looked at my posts and articles, you will see that I achieve very nice results with platforms that cost very little. I have spent over a decade trying most everything including Rems and the process I use now has shown to be consistently effective at producing very good accuracy at LR.

The process has been repeated many many times by shooters all over the world.

I try and put money where they will have a tangible benefit to my groups. For me, 1/4 min is plenty enough accuracy for both F class and LR shooting. Can you get better? sometimes but the cost to shave even a tenth min off your AVERAGE groups will cost multiple times more. And when the wind is blowing, I have yet to see that as the limiting factor.

Depending on the chamber/division chosen, practise could mean several barrels a season. Add in the cost and time of install and this is substantial.

So if a competitive shooter has to loose his action for a couple of months, then he needs a second to shoot (yes, prefit barrels can be done so this can lower down time). Again, more costs.

And if he needs two rifles, he will also need two sets of components as the sizing for each chamber is likely different enough to not interchange.

And on it goes.

So the 'cost' is not just whether you choose a $300 Savage or a $1500 custom, it is the care and feeding costs to maintain that platform while you learn your trade.

Despite the ease of swapping stuff, I still have multiple actions and rifles to minimize downtime and to try different things. It is very nice to have 4 actions for the cost of 1 custom. Lots more options.

Am I saying that the Savage is the right choice for all shooters? Of course not. No more then saying a 6BR or 260AI is ideal for all things F class.

But I have arrived at this point because I have looked at all the available options FOR F OPEN and decided on what I consider the best plan of attack.

It has served me well and put a few pieces of plastic on the wall.

For those that have actually tried it, the response I have received have been very positive. Maybe they will stay with this concept, maybe they will move on to new ventures.

At least they got started and could afford to play.

That to me is the real goal - more COMPETITIVE shooters on the line.

Jerry
 
I guess my point was, by the time it is all said and done, the rifle is but a small fraction of the total dollar amount of the equipment required. Ammo, components, optics, including spotter, LRF, and scope, as well as range gear add up fairly quick.

R.
 
Accurate rifles make accurate shooters period. You will never learn to be a better shooter unless and until your rifle is capable of placing that shot exactly where it's pointed. Reading conditions is a vital skill, but you can't learn to master the saxaphone by playing a mouth organ.

Those that master the art, do so with good equipment. I certainly encourage people to get involved with groups of people that know how to shoot so they can see for themselves what gets used. Good shooters use good equipment. Good doesn't always mean most expensive, but there is a point of diminishing return when buying cheap when trying to achieve excellence.

If your long distance precision shooting ambition is shooting at long-distance tin cans and rocks, there are no consequences for inconsistencies, poor ergonomics, poor loading, poor technique, and poor repeatability. Those that wish to take their hobby a bit more seriously, or that want to get batter, soon learn these things are a bit more important.

Live within your means, and spend what you think your hobby is worth to you. Nobody ever regretted buying quality, and once you've used well-made equipment, it is very difficult to go back to bodged cheap hunting rifle parts.

We developed a Factory class for those wanting to try competitive shooting with what they already owned because the last thing I wanted to see was people feeling they HAD to spend big bucks to be successful. It is also a great opportunity for people to come out and see what successful precision shooters use.
 
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