I have. I sight my rifles (2500+fps) 1" high at 25yds and they are generally 1-3" high at 100yds when you do this. I have done this for years with new rifles or scopes. Never had one shoot 6" low at this range.
Maybe you have a magic rifle
How the f*ck did I miss her
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I have. I sight my rifles (2500+fps) 1" high at 25yds and they are generally 1-3" high at 100yds when you do this. I have done this for years with new rifles or scopes. Never had one shoot 6" low at this range.
Maybe you have a magic rifle
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I have. I sight my rifles (2500+fps) 1" high at 25yds and they are generally 1-3" high at 100yds when you do this. I have done this for years with new rifles or scopes. Never had one shoot 6" low at this range.
Maybe you have a magic rifle
Every gun that I have sighted in dead on at 25 yds will shoot high at 100 yds.
If it shoots right on at 100 then it will shoot low at 25.........
Every gun that I have sighted in dead on at 25 yds will shoot high at 100 yds.
If it shoots right on at 100 then it will shoot low at 25.........
You're thinking from the wrong end of the range, partner. If sighting in dead on at 25 yards gets you 6"" high at 100, that simply means it couldn't possibly be more than 1½" low at 25 if you are dead on at 100. The fact is, it is less than that, about 1" low at 25 to get you dead on at 100. Many slower moving projectiles are actually dead on at 25, dead on at 100. Regards, Eagleye.
I am still cursing, and my father-in-law is still shaking his head at how I missed a huge cow moose at 40 yards. I was driving along a logging road looking for a pretty new cut away area. We actually get to the new area and because I somehow forgot my Bino's on the kitchen counter in the morning, had to use my scope to "glass" the broad area near the far off tree line. After spending 10 minutes "glassing" with my scope, we saw nothing, and proceeded to drive on. Not 30 seconds later, in a little clearing no more than 50 yards deep on the opposite side of the road we were looking on, stood a big ol cow and calf. She just stood there waiting for me. I slowly got out of the truck, and with the 1 round I had in my hand, popped it in the chamber, slowly closed the bolt, and took aim.
Then I realized, I hadn't turned down the scope to 3x. I could see the color of her eyes as she stared at me. Not wanting to make any more movement and spook her, I put the cross hairs on the scull just above the centerline of her eyes, and pulled the trigger. KaBOOM, a superficial chunk of scalp and hair went flying vertical, and she still stood there!!!!! Then I realized that the remaining 19 rounds were on the console between the seats. F*U*C*KK!!
I turned around, grabbed 2, and as I loaded the first one, off she ran into the trees 10 yards behind her. As quick as that , I was a stooge.
Then I realized several things. I HATE BLIND MAGS. I ONLY HAVE DROP MAG GUNS FOR THIS VERY REASON. But this was the Father in law's gun, and he is a stickler for driving with the gun unloaded.
The second thing I realized is that I should have aimed an inch lower at that close distance when the scope is zeroed at 150 yards.
The third thing, is NEVER, EVER, Miss a "gimme" shot when your sarcastic, never let you live it down, father in law is looking on.
Then I realized, I hadn't turned down the scope to 3x. I could see the color of her eyes as she stared at me. Not wanting to make any more movement and spook her, I put the cross hairs on the scull just above the centerline of her eyes, and pulled the trigger. KaBOOM, a superficial chunk of scalp and hair went flying vertical, and she still stood there!!!!! Then I realized that the remaining 19 rounds were on the console between the seats. F*U*C*KK!!
I turned around, grabbed 2, and as I loaded the first one, off she ran into the trees 10 yards behind her. As quick as that , I was a stooge.
Then I realized several things. I HATE BLIND MAGS. I ONLY HAVE DROP MAG GUNS FOR THIS VERY REASON. But this was the Father in law's gun, and he is a stickler for driving with the gun unloaded.
The second thing I realized is that I should have aimed an inch lower at that close distance when the scope is zeroed at 150 yards.
The third thing, is NEVER, EVER, Miss a "gimme" shot when your sarcastic, never let you live it down, father in law is looking on.
Welcome to the club.
I consider myself a pretty decent shooter and I practice a lot but I too have done the same.
Had a nice buck show up out of nowhere when I was returning to camp after the 4th day out and not seeing a thing, ran right at me not full speed but a decent trot.
I stood there in awe as I watched him run past about 15 yards to my right side.....then remembered that I had my rifle in my hand.
Took 2 quick shots at 25 yards and 50 yards and MISSED?!?!?!?!?
Then stood there dumbfounded as I watched him disappear into the bush.
He was the biggest Buck I have ever seen on hoof.
It was like a gift from the hunting gods for working so hard the previous 4 days and seeing nothing, it was delivered right to my lap......and I missed.
Worst part is my buddy saw the whole thing from about 200 yards away, still never lived that one down and it was 15 years ago!!!
If you hunt long enough....you WILL miss. Period.
PS : I hate shooting running deer. In fact, I'm so anal now, I don't chance it...I want them right where I can see them and can knock them right over. None of this "tracking" crap, I've simply had enough of following blood trails through the woods/fields/swamps.
(Mind you....at the end of the season if I have my tag, this gets a little more "flexible".)
PS : I hate shooting running deer. In fact, I'm so anal now, I don't chance it...I want them right where I can see them and can knock them right over. None of this "tracking" crap, I've simply had enough of following blood trails through the woods/fields/swamps.
(Mind you....at the end of the season if I have my tag, this gets a little more "flexible".)
Most shots missed at close range are low because of the height of the scope.
For those close up shots I put the cross hairs on the back, the bullet drops about 6 or 8 inches.
Every gun that I have sighted in dead on at 25 yds will shoot high at 100 yds.
If it shoots right on at 100 then it will shoot low at 25.........
Yes, but not six inches. If a rifle is hitting six inches low at 25 yards, it will be close to two feet low at 100.
Ted
Ummm....not so. More often than not, a gun shooting low at 25 yards will hit higher at 100......you definitely wouldn't see an 18" drop between 25 yards and 100 yards with a rifle. On my .300WM for example, at 25 yard zero also equals a 250 yard zero.......confusing at first glance but really nothing more than simple physics.
The next time you are at the range, purposely sight in any rifle six inches low at 25 yards ...... and then try shooting it at 100.
BTDT, several times, to prove the point to a few guys.
Or, just do the math. How many clicks down do you need to adjust your scope to change the POI to have your shots hitting six inches low at 25 yd? How much does that change the POI at 100.
Ted
BTDT, several times, to prove the point to a few guys.
Or, just do the math. How many clicks down do you need to adjust your scope to change the POI to have your shots hitting six inches low at 25 yd? How much does that change the POI at 100.
Ted
The next time you are at the range, purposely sight in any rifle six inches low at 25 yards ...... and then try shooting it at 100.
BTDT, several times, to prove the point to a few guys.
Or, just do the math. How many clicks down do you need to adjust your scope to change the POI to have your shots hitting six inches low at 25 yd? How much does that change the POI at 100.
Ted
Your theory works for windage but not elevation. You aren't the first guy to be buffaloed by this and I suspect you won't be the last............
You are correct about the number of clicks required to move a scope at 25 yards vs 100 yards but that has no corelation as to POI at 25 yards vs 100 yards
Stolen from another site......
It's important to understand that a bullet travels in an arc when it's fired. As soon as it leaves the muzzle of the gun, gravity starts to pull it downward. So the bullet is actually fired upward at a very slight angle. As it travels away from the gun and gravity exerts its pull, the bullet's path is curved, with the concave side of the curve facing the Earth.
The line of sight, through a scope or using iron sights, is a line (and thus is straight). So the trick is to get the line of sight to match closely with the curve of the bullet's path.
In normal sighting conditions, the line of sight will intersect this arc in two places - once when the bullet rises above it, and again as it is falling to earth.
Now - with many high-powered centerfire rifle cartridges, that first point of intersection is very close to 25 yards when the rifle is sighted in for practical hunting use with average ammo. So most boresighting is done to get it close at 25 yards, and when sighting-in a rifle it makes sense to start by zeroing it to hit at point of aim at 25 yards.
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Mine hits about 3" high at 100. At 20 yards, if I put the cross hairs on the tip of the grouse's head, the bullet snips his neck just below the head. Thats about 2 inched which is about how high the crosshairs are from the muzzle.
Wrong! It's not theory. It is actual testing at the range.
Again, BTDT, several times, to prove the point to a few guys, and I have a standing any-money bet on it.
Ted
Well, I guess physics and gravity work differently at your range then. This is a good time to say, "hey, cool, I learned something today"
Do a Google search for sighting in at 25 yards and you'll see you stand alone on this "theory"
It's the fact that bullets travel in an arc and cross the sight line twice that blows your theory out of the water. If a bullet travelled a perfectly straight line like your line of sight, then what you believe would be true....but sadly they don't.
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I am going to go with your both right, sorta.
What sheephunter is saying is if the bullet hits low at 25 yards it is still on its way up through the line of sight. The farther out it crosses the line of sight the first time, it will cross farther out the second time, which is 100% correct.
The only problem that I can see is if it is hitting below the line of sight(which is what we are talking about in this situation).
for example, if the difference in height between the center of the bore and the crosshairs is 2 inches, and your bullet is striking 3 inches low @25 yards it will be even lower @ 50,75, or 100 yards.
The reason for this is that the bullet had to travel downward initially to hit 3 inches low. There is no upward trajectory applied to it. If it strikes 1.75 inches low; now there has been some upward trajectory and it will travel through the plane of sight twice.
With the 6 inches that we are talking about here, your pointing your muzzle away from the line of sight, therefore your bullet will not cross the line of sight.
Sheephunter you are correct in the theory, with normal circumstances, we are talking about extra ordinary circumstances.
Why not?
I think you have the practical application part correct, if it hits 6 inches low @25, it will be even lower @100 (with a regular hunting gun).
I think you two sorta on the same page, just looking at it differently.
w w w.biggameinfo.com/index.aspx?page=%2fbalcalc.ascx
Go to that webpage and use a 1 yard zero, you can already see a .1 inch drop and the bullet just plummets from there (-3.6 @ 100yds -10.1 @ 200yds).
once a bullets drops more than the difference of bore-sight plain it is only going down from there.
What sheephunter is saying is if the bullet hits low at 25 yards it is still on its way up through the line of sight. The farther out it crosses the line of sight the first time, it will cross farther out the second time, which is 100% correct.
The only problem that I can see is if it is hitting below the line of sight(which is what we are talking about in this situation).
for example, if the difference in height between the center of the bore and the crosshairs is 2 inches, and your bullet is striking 3 inches low @25 yards it will be even lower @ 50,75, or 100 yards.
The reason for this is that the bullet had to travel downward initially to hit 3 inches low. There is no upward trajectory applied to it. If it strikes 1.75 inches low; now there has been some upward trajectory and it will travel through the plane of sight twice.
With the 6 inches that we are talking about here, your pointing your muzzle away from the line of sight, therefore your bullet will not cross the line of sight.
Sheephunter you are correct in the theory, with normal circumstances, we are talking about extra ordinary circumstances.
Why not?
I think you have the practical application part correct, if it hits 6 inches low @25, it will be even lower @100 (with a regular hunting gun).
I think you two sorta on the same page, just looking at it differently.
w w w.biggameinfo.com/index.aspx?page=%2fbalcalc.ascx
Go to that webpage and use a 1 yard zero, you can already see a .1 inch drop and the bullet just plummets from there (-3.6 @ 100yds -10.1 @ 200yds).
once a bullets drops more than the difference of bore-sight plain it is only going down from there.
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rnbra-shooter
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B-N is correct. The key point is that 6" low at 25 yards, is actually lower than the scope's centreline height over the muzzle. Such a rifle would not be sighted in at _any_ range.
Precisley, and since bullets travel in a parabolic path, not an arc, when does it cross the line of sight if it is already six inches low at 25 yds and gravity continues to pull it down?
How about a bet on it..... a $1000 donation to this site or the Charity of your choice?
And, we can do it at your range.
I'll take your word on the results, because I know you are an honourable man.Ted
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Precisley, and since bullets travel in a parabolic path, not an arc, when does it cross the line of sight if it is already six inches low at 25 yds and gravity continues to pull it down?
How about a bet on it..... a $1000 donation to this site or the Charity of your choice?
And, we can do it at your range.
Ted
Beware of snakeoil salesmen.........you got me on that one.......
