How tight are your groups?

a buddy is an armourer for one of the police forces, he shoots substantially better than me and tought me everything I know about hitting the target properly.

I have seen him cloverleaf a one inch target consistantly basically all day if he wanted too. And that is with a DAK SIG 226R.

He shoots everyday, about 100 to 200 rounds I guess depending on the amount of guns he has to certify when at work.

He's the most amazing shot I have ever seen.

His idea of fun and relaxation on the weekend is to get away from the range at work and go to the range near home?

I,m going to see if he will make a video for us of about 20 rounds at 25 to 30 feet and see the grouping.
 
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Shoot an ISSF, NRA bullseye match or a PPC match. Then you will
see what your groups are really like and people on this board might
believe the claims.

2 inch @ 25 yards from a good service pistol/ammo combo is more
than do-able by most NRA High Masters.
 
... and the key words here are "NRA HIGH MASTERS", which is far from what most people here can hope to accomplish without serious training. No offense intended to anyone, of course.
 
Soli said:
... and the key words here are "NRA HIGH MASTERS", which is far from what most people here can hope to accomplish without serious training. No offense intended to anyone, of course.
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http://www.bullseyepistol.com/

Some good info, especially on ye olde dueling stance. :)

Don't sell yourself short. That classification isn't as far off as you think. No one is a born marksmen, you mold yourself into one.

And never worry what anyone else shoots compared to you. The person you shoot against is yourself. That you are seeing improvement or consistency is what counts.
 
Practice makes perfect. It is amazing to see for real these sized
groups being fired at a match. It will make you out and train/practice
more.

The guys and gals doing it aren't super-beings. They just took the
time and effort to master their sport.
 
Another factor to take into consideration is sights. It is much easier to get good groups with target sights over combat sights. And a red dot is much much more easy than target sights.

This is my best target of the weekend at the range. Shooting with irons at 25 yards. 10 shot group. Hammerli Xesse 4th time out with crappy American Eagle ammo.

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I also got a chance to bench my P226. Getting half decent groups with combat sights is very difficult. This is the best I could come up with benched at 25 yards:

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That's the other thing too... getting good groups with 3-dot sights can be a lot more challenging than with target sights, and considerably more difficult than red dots.

My opinion has always been that less than 10 inch groups is more than acceptable out to 20-25 yards unless you're specifically shooting for accuracy with the appropriate firearm.

Not to make any Lieberals nervous, but I train for "proficiency" (accuracy and speed) in case self-defense with a firearm ever becomes necessary: if you can hit center-mass groups out to those distances at a reasonable speed, you're doing perfectly fine in my opinion.

Your mileage may vary, of course.
 
Soli said:
That's the other thing too... getting good groups with 3-dot sights can be a lot more challenging than with target sights, and considerably more difficult than red dots.

My opinion has always been that less than 10 inch groups is more than acceptable out to 20-25 yards unless you're specifically shooting for accuracy with the appropriate firearm.

Not to make any Lieberals nervous, but I train for "proficiency" (accuracy and speed) in case self-defense with a firearm ever becomes necessary: if you can hit center-mass groups out to those distances at a reasonable speed, you're doing perfectly fine in my opinion.

Your mileage may vary, of course.
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Sound like a solid plan indeed!
 
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