How to accidentally discharge your pistol properly.

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Opinions? Do you think that is possible with a striker fired pistol? Seeing as the trigger has to be pulled to release the firing pin, it appears that the striker fired pistol would win out in this incident.

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I think the best way to do it is to be a Canadian LEO. That way no matter what the circumstances, you are suspended with pay for a month, then it's like nothing ever happened.

If you're the leader of the JTF, not so much.

GGG
 
What an excellent and reasonable job by the RO. An untimely discharge should be a soul searching, even soul crushing moment for the shooter. Embarrassing. Shocking. Confidence eroding, you name it. For a conscientious shooter it is an awful moment that won't soon be forgotten.

The importance of doing everything right regarding ACTS and PROVE is shown here, the failure of any one part of the system should not result in an injury, with proper muzzle and firing line control you can screw up and still hit the ground or backstop.

The RO can be a #### in this situation or he can be supportive and make it a teachable moment, even if the shooter is in err it can be addressed privately, professionally and discreetly.
 
Dirty pistol, broken firing pin return spring, broken firing pin.
There are a dozen different failures that can happen for each style of pistol, some are unquie to the types, some not.
This scares the crap out of me during competition for sure!


Funny about the NA LE discharge. Albeit it may be 'ignorant' as claimed in so many reported cases its everything True.
The truth isn't ingnorant, just those that comment on the unsatisfactory nature of the response.
 
I would want more details in regards to the "AD" and what exactly was going on in the pistol. If it was a competition tuned pistol, what are the odds that some modifications to the pistol played a part in the discharge while racking the slide? Also, the person who had the discharge (Negligent or Accidental, it doesn't matter for this portion of the post) did everything right. The only time a weapon is charged while pointed at the ground is when there is no safe direction available, he gets a thumbs up for due care and attention.

-S.
 
GunGuy34 said:
Opinions?
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That's the first real AD I have ever seen on video, all the others have been ND's. The guy doing the handling did everything right and no one got hurt, that is a perfect outcome.


smally21 said:
The importance of doing everything right regarding ACTS and PROVE is shown here,
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ACTS and PROVE had nothing to do with this, Cooper's 4 rules covered it very nicely. Only a government could take 4 simple rules that cover everything and over complicate them...


burnaby said:
Prefer the title "How proper muzzle control prevent damage from equipment malfunction."
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That would be more accurate.


Mark
 
GunGuy34 said:
Opinions? Do you think that is possible with a striker fired pistol? Seeing as the trigger has to be pulled to release the firing pin, it appears that the striker fired pistol would win out in this incident.
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Absolutely correct, but only if the striker fired pistol is DAO. Curious as to why the guy's pistol fired as it should have a firing pin block preventing a discharge if the hammer falls/follows. The half #### if it has one should have done the same thing.
 
From below the video when you click on "Show More":

Also, consider all of the things that he did INCORRECTLY prior to the incident:
1. He installed an aftermarket hammer and sear that were labeled "gunsmith installation only".
2. He disabled the firing pin block safety on his firearm for a shorter reset.
In his defense, this handgun had been tested and run weekly at ranges for roughly 1,000 rounds before the sear engagement failed and caused the accidental discharge.
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It pretty much explains the problem.
 
Silverback said:
From below the video when you click on "Show More":



It pretty much explains the problem.
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Well i took another look at the video description, and i didnt notice all the aftermarket stuff that he had done. Thats the reason right there and a good lesson for those that like to do a lot of aftermarket mods.
 
That is an educational video indeed. Mechanical failure is always possible. Having his finger on the trigger would have engaged the disconnector and possibly prevented the discharge depending on what the mechanical problem actually was.
GunGuy34 said:
Do you think that is possible with a striker fired pistol?
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Here is a striker fired pistol doing the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk1EjQMq16Q
 
"Also, consider all of the things that he did INCORRECTLY prior to the incident:
1. He installed an aftermarket hammer and sear that were labeled "gunsmith installation only".
2. He disabled the firing pin block safety on his firearm for a shorter reset.
In his defense, this handgun had been tested and run weekly at ranges for roughly 1,000 rounds before the sear engagement failed and caused the accidental discharge. "

This. I have seen way too many MOFOS playing and doing crazy "tuning" on guns for competitions... Guns that are suppose to be STOCK or factory tuned ( factory parts ).... #### that ####.

That actually made me quit IPSC around here... Guys with MODS and stupid 2-3 lbs AND UNDER triggers...

Strangely the guy does not seem to be very shocked or intrigued by the discharge. Surprised yes but not for long... Holster it and continue like nothing happen. I would have gone in the back and field strip the #### out of it ASAP.
 
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I dont think the fact he installed other parts was a factor. If the installation was the issue it would have taken less than 1000 rounds for the issue to arise. I think it may have been poor quality parts.

And that he removed the firing pin block. But still a non issue he was completely safe in his gun handling so the only thing damaged was his pride.

Shawn
 
Interesting video. It is fascinating to see how firearms can fail. A point to mention in your striker vs hammer debate, it really doesn't matter both can have issues. For example most bolt actions are striker fired guns. There are some out there which have had the sears 'modified' so as to have a 'hair trigger'. Some of these fail the drop test and can discharge simply by closing the bolt.

In this case there was more going on than the original design intended for, and had it not been modified to the extent it was, it would have had the firing pin block safety intact and it wouldn't have discharged.

Its not a matter of striker being better, or hammer being better, rather knowing the limitations and strengths of both systems and choosing for yourself which you prefer.
 
Juster said:
That is an educational video indeed. Mechanical failure is always possible. Having his finger on the trigger would have engaged the disconnector and possibly prevented the discharge depending on what the mechanical problem actually was.

Here is a striker fired pistol doing the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk1EjQMq16Q
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The pistol in the video above is a Baby Browning and is a SINGLE ACTION design. A Double Action Only design is incapable of discharging.

shawn said:
I dont think the fact he installed other parts was a factor. If the installation was the issue it would have taken less than 1000 rounds for the issue to arise. I think it may have been poor quality parts.

And that he removed the firing pin block. But still a non issue he was completely safe in his gun handling so the only thing damaged was his pride.

Shawn
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Good or bad it makes no difference, he modified the gun without the proper knowledge and likely the proper tools. Disabling a safety device is just plain dumb. Any unintentional discharge is bad and wrong. There is no "safe direction" only SAFER directions. Had he been loading his pistol for CCW and sent a round through his house would that be ok?

Eaglelord17 said:
Interesting video. It is fascinating to see how firearms can fail. A point to mention in your striker vs hammer debate, it really doesn't matter both can have issues. For example most bolt actions are striker fired guns. There are some out there which have had the sears 'modified' so as to have a 'hair trigger'. Some of these fail the drop test and can discharge simply by closing the bolt.

In this case there was more going on than the original design intended for, and had it not been modified to the extent it was, it would have had the firing pin block safety intact and it wouldn't have discharged.

Its not a matter of striker being better, or hammer being better, rather knowing the limitations and strengths of both systems and choosing for yourself which you prefer.
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Like I said, a SINGLE ACTION striker fired(or hammer fired) firearm runs the risk of such a negligent discharge. a Double Action or Double Action Only gun cannot fire without the press of the trigger.
 
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