How to deal with the DA/SA trigger in Production

I'm in the camp that says "one smooth trigger draw". It's always a mistake to "stage" the trigger on a DA gun regardless of it being a revolver or a DA semi auto. Staging just sets you up for a snap at the last moment and a big pull to the side and even a flinch of the whole gun as a result.

This is a perfect case for some shakedown of your observational skills and to run some dry fire practice. The "shakedown of your observational skills" being where you start out by acknowledging that you're doing something wrong. Watch the sights picture very closely while dry firing and watch for ANY front sight jump at the trigger break. If there is any then you need to modify how you are pulling the trigger for the DA pull. This is where a plain wall is best because you want to focus on the front sight and observe for it jumping sideways within the framing of the rear sight at the break. If it's there, which it obviously is, then try to alter how you flex your trigger finger to neutralize the side forces that are building up during the pull and then being released at the break. Just don't move your finger into or off the trigger for this since you want to have the proper finger position for the subsequent SA shots. No point in fixing one issue by creating another.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
Shoot revolver for a while. Or maybe a DAO auto. Then come back to the Shadow.
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I shot revolver for a few years (for a change- I loved it) and went to a Shadow when I went back to auto's.
I don't even think about the first shot, or the others, its seamless.
Definitely seen guys grapple with it; some succeeded and some never...
 
Well since I started this thread 600 deliberate rounds have been sent down range trying the suggestion of staging the trigger.

Small improvement but still shooting left on the first DA shot.

Bought a used piece of Austrian made Tupperware and even with a mushy 5.5 lb trigger pull with a really crap reset pretty much everything is hitting alphas - at least for now ��

Going to take a break from the shadow for this season.

Thanks for the suggestions all.

Marc
 
BCRider said:
I'm in the camp that says "one smooth trigger draw". It's always a mistake to "stage" the trigger on a DA gun regardless of it being a revolver or a DA semi auto. Staging just sets you up for a snap at the last moment and a big pull to the side and even a flinch of the whole gun as a result.

This is a perfect case for some shakedown of your observational skills and to run some dry fire practice. The "shakedown of your observational skills" being where you start out by acknowledging that you're doing something wrong. Watch the sights picture very closely while dry firing and watch for ANY front sight jump at the trigger break. If there is any then you need to modify how you are pulling the trigger for the DA pull. This is where a plain wall is best because you want to focus on the front sight and observe for it jumping sideways within the framing of the rear sight at the break. If it's there, which it obviously is, then try to alter how you flex your trigger finger to neutralize the side forces that are building up during the pull and then being released at the break. Just don't move your finger into or off the trigger for this since you want to have the proper finger position for the subsequent SA shots. No point in fixing one issue by creating another.
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This and Post 11.

I just picked up a Sig 226 and love it. I shoot a lot of revolver so the DA first pull is a non issue using the Sig. I do believe the SA 1911 or the Glock/M&P trigger is much easier to deal with, but both systems work. Like anything it just takes effort and practice to be reasonably good at either one you choose.

Take Care

Bob
 
Some people have different definitions of staging the trigger, if the OP is pulling, then stopping, then pulling, then stopping, that is the classic staging, and is not good for learning to shoot the gun. If on the other hand he thinks staging is a constant slow press until it goes bang, that's fine, and some people do call that staging (not sure why). Regardless, if your shots are going left, you're not watching your front sight enough. 100% focus, all of the time, on the front sight.
 
Staging a Revo trigger is very important if you want be any good. By this I mean you begin to pull the trigger as soon as the pistol leaves the holster, so by the time you present the pistol to the target you only have a 2lb 1/8 trigger travel to contend with.
It takes a while to learn and when you switch back to a slicked up 2lb SA you better be damn sure you don't stage it.
Ask me how I know? lol

There is also staging the trigger from target to target transitions. The key to running a DA Revo fast is always keeping the trigger in motion.
 
So much good advice :) I've found doing lots of one shot DA draws has really helped me. If the sights aren't staying on target, it's usually because your not holding enough with your support hand and allowing the gun to move before the shot breaks... Be a good vice for your gun, you ARE the Ransom rest.
 
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