How to properly sell a pistol through the EE?

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Have bought and sold lots of long guns but was going to reduce the pistol collection a bit. Have never sold a restricted through the ee.

What is the proper sequence of events involved in a sale? what is the proper way to ship a pistol?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

(Did a quick search and looked for stickies in the pistol section but couldn't find a how to thread)
 
Not sure about the "proper" way, but every time I've bought or sold a restricted its; buyer pays, seller initiates transfer, buyer completes.
The, if you're in Ontario like me, everyone wait's a month.
 
You place ad in EE with a description, pictures and a price. Buyer pays, sends RPAL information and shipping address on record with CFC to seller, seller initiates transfer ASAP, contacts buyer with confirmation number, buyer completes transfer, both wait for CFO to approve transfer, seller ships in locked hard case and trigger locked as per Canada Post regulations, with tracking & signature on delivery.
 
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StoneHorse said:
You place ad in EE with a description, pictures and a price. Buyer pays, sends RPAL information and shipping address on record with CFC to seller, seller initiates transfer ASAP, contacts buyer with confirmation number, buyer completes transfer, both wait for CFO to approve transfer, seller ships in locked hard case and trigger locked as per Canada Post regulations, with tracking & signature on delivery.
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Please post the Canada Post link where they describe how you're supposed to ship restricted firearms. And also the link where it says you have to tell them you're shipping restricted firearms.
 
justmessing said:
Please post the Canada Post link where they describe how you're supposed to ship restricted firearms. And also the link where it says you have to tell them you're shipping restricted firearms.
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I didn't say that; you made an assumption.

Also, spend ten seconds to look up it yourself but since you couldn't be bothered, here ya go:

Canada:
Please contact the Canadian Firearms Centre at cfc-cafc.gc.ca or by calling 1-800-731-4000 to determine whether it is permissible to ship your firearms.
When it is determined permissible to ship firearms, they must be shipped as follows:
Customer Type​
Service To Be Used​
ConsumerRegular Parcel with Signature option.
Contract customerExpedited Parcel with the Proof of Age (18 or 19) option using EST. Visit Section Mail addressed to children of Policies for an age of majority by province or territory listing.
Customers who wish to ship firearms must:

  • unload the firearms - there cannot be any ammunition in the firearm or in the package (bullets, cartridges and other ammunition are dangerous goods)
  • attach a secure locking device to the firearms
  • lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container, and
  • remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).
Firearms cannot be shipped via air and cannot have any markings on the outside of the packaging. The customer is solely responsible for meeting all Canadian Firearms Centre regulations.

https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGnonmail-e.asp#1389620
 
restricted is no difference, other than you have to wait on the transfer to come though.
Make sure you get all the buyers info, full name, address, phone number RPAL #, land location if rural, Box # is not enough, and
what gun club the buyer belongs to, Ont. is different????? , also as a dealer they ask me where the gun will be stored at the buyer's, their home is the usual answer
That is a silly question to ask the seller I have always thought, but guess they have to fill in all the little boxes, if not things go south fast
 
CP requirement?

Define "lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container"?

Are we talking AKA transport requirement here I.E. double locked?

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StoneHorse said:
You place ad in EE with a description, pictures and a price. Buyer pays, sends RPAL information and shipping address on record with CFC to seller, seller initiates transfer ASAP, contacts buyer with confirmation number, buyer completes transfer, both wait for CFO to approve transfer, seller ships in locked hard case and trigger locked as per Canada Post regulations, with tracking & signature on delivery.
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Exactly

That's what I did everytimes. I also get a STATT to the post office because when I go the gun doesn't belong to me anymore. A lot of guy don't secure the firearm and the container because they saw dealers do it like that. It's not the sames rules for dealers ans us....
 
GLOCK_PERFECTION said:
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That's what I did everytimes. I also get a STATT to the post office because when I go the gun doesn't belong to me anymore. A lot of guy don't secure the firearm and the container because they saw dealers do it like that. It's not the sames rules for dealers ans us....
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Yes, the STATT is required because the restricted firearm is no longer registered to the seller when taken to the post office. (source NB CFO)

as to the "sturdy,non transparent container" there is no definition given. I take it to mean whatever you think satisfies the transport requirements in the FA. (also not well defined)

It is my understanding as well that there are different requirements for businesses who ship firearms compared to individuals.
 
Post a pic with your ad. I last as long as takes me to click or hit back button if no pictures. If they can't be bothered to post a pic I can't be bothered to look at their ad. And this goes for anything I'm buying online.

And if need a place to host a picture, imgur, literally takes 1 minute to make an account.
 
The shipping requirements are a relatively recent addition to the Canada Post website, I suspect because there was a lot of understandable confusion in applying the FA transport regs.

By virtue of having to drive the firearms to the post office, the general public needs to abide by the transportation requirements as outlined in the Reg (e.g., locked cases, trigger locks on restricteds). Businesses are not subjected to the same transportation requirements and Canada Post does pick ups for many commercial clients so the locking requirement etc. didn't apply directly.

The new 'guideline' or 'directive' from Canada Post does not seem to distinguish between the type of customer or classification of firearms. This suggests trigger / action locks and locked cases are now required for all types of firearms (restricted and non) and for all types of customers (general public and commercial). And no i'm not giving legal advice just taking the most conservative interpretation of what I am seeing. I guess the other question mark is whether this new shipping provision from Canada Post is linked to law/regs or just how it appears on the web site - a 'guideline' or 'directive'.
 
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StoneHorse said:
I didn't say that; you made an assumption.

Also, spend ten seconds to look up it yourself but since you couldn't be bothered, here ya go:
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I stand humbly corrected. Probably shouldn't have been shooting from the hip after a few whiskies.

I've received 4 restricted's in the mail with no locking mechanisms besides taped up cardboard boxes, both private sales and retailers. My small sample size led me to believe otherwise
 
justmessing said:
I stand humbly corrected. Probably shouldn't have been shooting from the hip after a few whiskies.

I've received 4 restricted's in the mail with no locking mechanisms besides taped up cardboard boxes, both private sales and retailers. My small sample size led me to believe otherwise
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No problem. Also I forgot about the STATT to the P.O. that some CFO's require and some CFO's don't. BC-CFO says yes, you need one. Just adds to the confusion.
Cheers.
 
We can use any courier we want for firearms can’t we? Canada Post isn’t mandatory?

I know ammo is limited in shipping options, but didn’t think firearms were. Or is this a restricted requirement?
 
SIR VEYOR said:
We can use any courier we want for firearms can’t we? Canada Post isn’t mandatory?

I know ammo is limited in shipping options, but didn’t think firearms were. Or is this a restricted requirement?
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Carrier has to be licensed to carry firearms....I know Canpar is and I know UPS carries ammo but I don't know about firearms (I think not). It was a few years ago but I remember digging around and being told by one carrier ( I think it was Canpar) that they will only carry firearms for business accounts. Now, that may be true or just what the person I finally managed to get on the phone decided to tell me. I do remember it was very hard to get clear answers.
 
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