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I find my padded VTAC more comfortable than my padded VCAS. The former has more adjustment too. But my VCAS is in cool-guy multicam vs the black VTAC!
How to sling a tactical rifle?
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sithinside
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I don't know why anyone would strictly run a 1 point or 2 point sling setup. I took my MS3 hardware and attached it to a padded VCAS sling, run an ASAP plate and an RSA. I can now switch between a 1 point and 2 point effortlessly and I don't have to compromise anything.
I will never run a single point for the reasons mentioned. 2 point does what I need it to do with no compromises for me. If you have a use for a single point that's great but I don't.
That's exactly how I feel...I don't have any use for a single point so while I guess I could add more hardware to a 2-point, it would never get used.
Clobbersauras
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Despite being shown the advantages of the Vickers sling a long time ago I still use a single point Magpul MS3.
I had serious problems with the MS2. The hardware would inadvertently catch on gear and dump my rifle in the dirt. The MS2 was also too thin and would get quite uncomfortable after any more than an hour of it being slung. The MS3 is an entirely better execution and I've been using it for over a year now on several courses with no issues.
For me, the advantage of the single point is speed during shoulder transitions and general ease of use. It doesn't interfere with an gear on your rails and it's a lot faster to get out of quickly should the need arise.
Disadvantages of the single point are comfort and control. Walking, running, or moving around obstacles requires a hand to be constantly on the rifle with a single point. Single points tend to bounce your rifle off your kit when slung, and if you take a knee you're going to slam the muzzle into the dirt if you can't get a hand on the rifle. For me, if I had to sling a rifle all day long (and I'm glad I don't) the comfort and control of a 2 point would trump all the advantages of a single point.
I had serious problems with the MS2. The hardware would inadvertently catch on gear and dump my rifle in the dirt. The MS2 was also too thin and would get quite uncomfortable after any more than an hour of it being slung. The MS3 is an entirely better execution and I've been using it for over a year now on several courses with no issues.
For me, the advantage of the single point is speed during shoulder transitions and general ease of use. It doesn't interfere with an gear on your rails and it's a lot faster to get out of quickly should the need arise.
Disadvantages of the single point are comfort and control. Walking, running, or moving around obstacles requires a hand to be constantly on the rifle with a single point. Single points tend to bounce your rifle off your kit when slung, and if you take a knee you're going to slam the muzzle into the dirt if you can't get a hand on the rifle. For me, if I had to sling a rifle all day long (and I'm glad I don't) the comfort and control of a 2 point would trump all the advantages of a single point.
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Again the usual suspect are dropping some good wisdom for the true tactical enthusiast/actual users. While I have heard of single point use for up to 14.5" barrel lenght ARs working, I only do so for friendly watches, not for when I am training or shooting in any other position than standing. A rifle smashing into your knees on the moves after a transition while on the move gets annoying real fast. Yeah, I've done it in training with an issued pole vault 20" C7A1, never again...
As discussed on the PLG course I took recently, tying the sling to the oposite side of the stock also keeps your rifle but nice and tight, minimizing the flopping.
But hey, if you are coming to CGN for technical advice, chances are the true wisdom shared here is lost on you anyways.
In any case, this thread should have ended after post #2.
As discussed on the PLG course I took recently, tying the sling to the oposite side of the stock also keeps your rifle but nice and tight, minimizing the flopping.
But hey, if you are coming to CGN for technical advice, chances are the true wisdom shared here is lost on you anyways.
In any case, this thread should have ended after post #2.
Hey Darren. I am curious how you installed the sling. I'm a lefty so trying to do this backwards from your video is hard. Any chance you could post a closeup picture of how the sling is installed on the stock?
I run a MS3 , and have a sling point I can clip to on the front end, so I can quickly reconfigure the sling from single to 2 point. I prefer single point in close quarters but like the be able to go to 2 point to stow the rifle if I need to. The trick when running single point is to attach the sling at the rear of the reciever and run the sling snug, so that if you have to drop the rifle, the center of balance of the rifle rests at or above the hip line, this should put the stock just under the arm. hanging here on the weak side the rifle will not swing around much as it's center of balance is near your own. This will also put the pistol grip easily in reach pointing forward so you can easily go back to your gun without reaching down for it.
for field, 2 point all the way, just like rigged above by Darren
for field, 2 point all the way, just like rigged above by Darren
With the CTR or any stock that has push button cups on either side it works well.
1) The sling requires one push button swivel on the back of the sling.
2) Attach it to the opposite side of the stock from your head.
3) Bring the sling around the back of the buttstock and attach the front of the sling to the same side as your support hand (side of the rifle that your face is on). There are multiple methods for attaching the front to the rail.
So for a left handed shooter the rear of the sling will be attached to the left side of the buttstock (rifle pointed away from you) and the front to the right side of the forend. You will put your right arm through the sling and have the sling go over your left shoulder.
MiracleJoe, what a wonderful attitude you have towards us sharing experience and knowledge. I learned a couple things from this thread, but I'm terribly sorry you had to endure 3 pages of it. Next time I'll be more in tune to your needs as a CGN member and think less of myself and others k?
Supertrooper
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Go old school, use nothing.
So when you tansition to pistol you:
A) Drop your rifle
B) Hold a firearm in each hand
C) Your old school and don't transition
When you grab something out of a back pack you:
A) Drop your rifle
B) You're able to open your pack and grab the item with one hand
C) You don't use a back pack, you're old school.
When you need to load a mag you:
A) Drop your rifle
B) You're able to load mags with one hand
C) You're old school and don't use mags
D) juggle your rifle, pistol and a sandwhich. I understand how difficult that sounds but its the best way to keep your gear organized while ditching slings and holsters altogether. 
I think he meant it as a joke Darren. Now When is that BCM and Gear Sector shipment arriving?
I think he meant it as a joke Darren. Now When is that BCM and Gear Sector shipment arriving? O'Kelly's Boys
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Back in winter 99, I did a Recce crse with an RCR WO in charge. We did the whole crse with the slings in our packs. If your weapon wasn't in your hand it was on the ground in front of you. The only exception was when you were in the tent.
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I run my BFG Vickers SLing the same as Darren. The rear attachment is outboard, and then the front attachment is somewhere on the inner part of the rail. I find it gives me that extra inch or two to do "weak" side transition. When fully kitted up with plates and stuff, this is the only way I can run the sling. this is on my 14.5
on my 7.5 I run a single point but with option to 2 point ala magpul sing.
work gun (ak) I run magpul or vickers... which is eons better than paracord.
on my 7.5 I run a single point but with option to 2 point ala magpul sing.
work gun (ak) I run magpul or vickers... which is eons better than paracord.
There is tons of stuff done on course that is done to teach a lesson, like this example. You don't walk around on patrol with the rifle just hanging from the sling, you keep it in your hands, ready to be used.
Translating that lesson into "You don't need a sling" is silly, but tons of guys think this way.
Yeah and that was just #### for being on a recce crse. In real life, you use slings.
O'Kelly's Boys
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Exactly. Collectively the slings went back on after the crse, and we were always looking for a better setup.
Anyways, I run an older non-padded VCAS with Troy rail mount up front, setup opposite to yours for left-hand. I like the look of that padded VCAS though.
