This is actually quite brilliant. This group poses as a conservation group out to stop the terrible plague of trophy hunting, markets themselves as such to the hippy tree huggers, takes their money and buys guiding rights, after doing this for a while and buying a number of licenses; turns around and actually starts a legit guiding company taking hunters out trophy hunting. Dammit, why am I not this clever...
How to stop trophy hunting? Buy up all the licences. - BC hunting under attack.
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This has potential for some very bad unintended consequences
Not sure if BC works the same way as Ont (so i may be mistaken in my assumptions)
Game tags are determined by heard counts
-If no animals are harvested then the herd counts will increase dramatically
-If the herd counts increase the tag counts go up as well
If this organization runs for a few years, falsely inflates the tag numbers and then suddenly stops....
-The number of tags available will be substantially higher than it is today
-When these tags go to actual hunters there will be an over-hunt and the herd will be at risk
they are hurting these animals more than they are "helping"
Not sure if BC works the same way as Ont (so i may be mistaken in my assumptions)
Game tags are determined by heard counts
-If no animals are harvested then the herd counts will increase dramatically
-If the herd counts increase the tag counts go up as well
If this organization runs for a few years, falsely inflates the tag numbers and then suddenly stops....
-The number of tags available will be substantially higher than it is today
-When these tags go to actual hunters there will be an over-hunt and the herd will be at risk
they are hurting these animals more than they are "helping"
There are no tag numbers to deal with. Black bear, Wolf, and Cougar are all general open season, over the counter hunts.
Also, I don't think herd counts are a big issue in this area because it is not a common place for people to hunt due to the difficulty of access so there isn't much harvest going on right now, thus eliminating harvest won't make much difference in the grand scheme of things.
If the Grizzly hunt still existed, then what you say would make sense, but as it sits right now tag numbers are not something that really needs to be considered.
bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
I know, you're preaching to the choir, but trust me, they don't care, and neither do most resident hunters unless they're guides or otherwise directly involved.
nowarningshot
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I would imagine hunting would be that much better the next year. Let them pay $50-100k as is normal for a safari package, takes money they cant use for other anti purposes.
From what I understand from the article, they're not buying actual hunting licences, but guiding territories. The territories are very expensive ( $100,000 is just the deposit), and give them exclusive rights to guide non-resident hunters in that area. Resident hunters would still be able to hunt there, assuming they have access. Unless they have backers with very deep pockets, it's highly improbable that they'll be able to buy up every guiding territory in the west. Non-resident hunters will simply shift to other outfitters.
We need Ardent to chime in here.
We need Ardent to chime in here.
You got it right. Not only are territories expensive ( depending on size and quota) there are a lot of them. They run from $200,000-ish to a couple million. More if they have some good sheep hunting.
you got that right
When we were discussing licenses earlier, we were talking about the license to a territory, not "hunting licenses".
I still say that the territory license shouldn't be up for grabs to anyone with the money. It should be open to legitimate, licensed guide outfitters only.
Agreed, should also be required to prove use of resource, pay royalties, so on.
Yeah, cull them. I'm OK with that, mainly because it would rub the self righteous noses in that the animals are gonna die anyway. Which may (yeah, I know...) make the point that their tactics are not viable.
I like Gariagi' suggestion to hold the territory owners responsible too.
Arloashean
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The guv isn't stupid. They will probably recognize that they're being taken for a ride and sell them the license for non-hunting guiding.
And sell another for hunting guiding. Then require the shutterbug guides to advise their clients of the risks and price in additional insurance if they step foot in the forest once the season starts.
That'll do the job.
And sell another for hunting guiding. Then require the shutterbug guides to advise their clients of the risks and price in additional insurance if they step foot in the forest once the season starts.
That'll do the job.
A conservative encounters a fence in his journey across the field. Wonders what it is for, and doesn't like it in his way. He decides to go around, or live with the fence until he understands it.
A liberal encounters a fence zhe doesn't understand. zhe sets sets the fence on fire.
A liberal encounters a fence zhe doesn't understand. zhe sets sets the fence on fire.
Angus is in full starting season. but that is the way they re doing it. buying the rights for guiding non-residents.
Geez..That is no surprise..Just like the loonies buying up all the LEH draws in B.C.
Of course for the doubters I can't prove it..
But you don't need a hunting license in B.C. to buy LEH's
And of course now you have to present yourself to a Government agent every 3 years to prove you are a resident..and a real person
Who would have thought that possible...keep your head in the sand fella's
Of course for the doubters I can't prove it..
But you don't need a hunting license in B.C. to buy LEH's
And of course now you have to present yourself to a Government agent every 3 years to prove you are a resident..and a real person
Who would have thought that possible...keep your head in the sand fella's
Yes ..But no one I know has figured that out yet..
We go to the downtown Kelowna government Agent
