How's my accuracy? What can I do to improve?

Pooface83 said:
That's damn good shooting! I only shoot max 10-15 yards, hard for me to focus the front sight going further
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Why? The front sight doesn't move! You just diagnosed your own problem, you're trying to focus on the target. Once you've mastered front sight focus you can move on to transitioning from the target back to the front sight for the shot.

Flinching is my killer. You would think that after thousands of rounds my damn body would stop reacting to the bang, lol. I throw snap caps randomly into my magazines to help keep the gremlins at bay.
 
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Just to be clear, I too believe coaches are invaluable. Until you find one, professional or otherwise, keep practicing to help refine those base skills.
 
2bore said:
I will take you up on this sir. I'm practising as we speak!!!

Edit. Man. Exhausted after 20! about the same fatigue as shooting!
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Take a break, lol, you don't have to do all of them in one sitting. Do 20 here and there throughout the day. The more you dry fire the better you'll be.
 
4n2t0 said:
Take a break, lol, you don't have to do all of them in one sitting. Do 20 here and there throughout the day. The more you dry fire the better you'll be.
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LOL I'll try! I noticed that the front sight post is a little wide, and the ttc token a little small. I had to upgrade to a quarter
 
I'm more of a "grip matters" man, and recently an IPSC GM made sure I knew that. :) Ultimately, you need to be able to hold the pistol steady enough so when you pull that trigger, the muzzle doesn't move by getting pulled in some undesirable direction. Pull that trigger straight back.

I also get guys to move the target closer. 5 yds to start, then once their groups tighten up, move the target back. Don't be in a rush to shoot the entire length of the range. :) Sure, it can be fun, but for most people, it won't help their learning by reaching out too far, too soon.
 
HAHAHA thanks. I do usually shoot only at about 5-10m, but the range was so bright, and my eyes do really well when things are lit up (I had laser eye surgery, and low light is a bit of a problem). So I thought I would indulge lol. Ill work on getting a straight trigger pull for sure
 
get a good dueling tree, put it at 15yards, then 20yards
youll improve quick
i improved my handgun shooting by a factor of 5 since i got some reactive steel targets, im pretty precise and consistent, and im getting pretty fast

2 key things to know, they are in order

1 there are common undeniable fundementals, this will get you 80%
2 there is secret sauce which is 19% (last 1% is jedi master skills)

secret sauce belongs to you, works for you and only you, on your chosen handguns, no one talks about secret sauce because:
1 it wouldnt be secret
2 it works only for you
 
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mikethebike said:
get a good dueling tree, put it at 15yards, then 20yards
youll improve quick
i improved my handgun shooting by a factor of 5 since i got some reactive steel targets, im pretty precise and consistent, and im getting pretty fast

2 key things to know, they are in order

1 there are common undeniable fundementals, this will get you 80%
2 there is secret sauce which is 19% (last 1% is jedi master skills)

secret sauce belongs to you, works for you and only you, on your chosen handguns, no one talks about secret sauce because:
1 it wouldnt be secret
2 it works only for you
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Thanks mike!

I'd love to find a place too shoot at a duelling tree. If steel targets were allowed at my range, I'd be shooting them all day long! I've got a few semi auto pistols to chose from. Im not quite good enough or have enough experience to pick a favourite yet. I long for the day when I can pick up my guns and actually know why I like/dislike them hahaha. I just like them all at this point and am not very good on any platform...although I am gravitating towards my mk25 for sure!
 
2bore said:
Thanks mike!

I'd love to find a place too shoot at a duelling tree. If steel targets were allowed at my range, I'd be shooting them all day long! I've got a few semi auto pistols to chose from. Im not quite good enough or have enough experience to pick a favourite yet. I long for the day when I can pick up my guns and actually know why I like/dislike them hahaha. I just like them all at this point and am not very good on any platform...although I am gravitating towards my mk25 for sure!
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have you ever tried with match pistols? match triggers, hand fitted barrels, tight polished slide ramps, and competition hammers, like a cz orange, a colt custom or a sw performance center?
yes the handgun makes a difference despite what some purists say
 
That's a pretty good grouping. You've got a couple flyers there, but that's not uncommon. Focusing on your main grouping, you likely have a trigger finger placement issue, coupled with a tight left hand. You want to make sure you place the middle of your finger print on the middle of the trigger and pull straight back. If your finger starts to curl into the trigger as you're pulling back, you need to make an adjustment to get it back out.

The other thing to look at is the alignment of your rear sight on the gun. At 25m, it wouldn't have to be off much to get you grouping a little to the left. I've seen a lot of duty pistols come from the manufacturer that don't shoot straight at that distance. If it looks straight, have someone who is a competent shooter to give it a try. If they group on the same side of the target, you've likely found your issue.
 
2bore said:
Hey guys,

I was at the range with a buddy the other day with my P226 MK25. I have been shooting pistols casually for about a year now. Recently I have been making an effort to shoot more accurately...changing my grip etc (I just posted something that showed im still not gripping it quite right!).

I emptied 2 10 rnd mags at a target 25m away. Here is the grouping (notice not all 20 hit the target). I was about to throw away the target, but my buddy said that was some pretty good shooting, so i decided to save it.

How IS my shooting???

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My grouping seems to be to the left. According to that training circle at the bottom, it says my finger is not on the trigger correctly. Do you think that's the case? do you trust those little circles?
Does anybody have a link for what they believe is proper trigger finger placement???

Thanks!
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Try to move your trigger finger straight back without disturbing your wrist lockup. Your group is not bad from that gun.

The 'fliers' are because of your wrist. The group is to the left because of your trigger finger.

PS. Get MantisX, it is expensive, but I tried it and it does help quite a bit.
You can get your wobble under 1" with weight training, the rest is your finger, wrist, follow through. Your group will tighten once you reduce the wobble (or get a better gun). The placement of the group are your mistakes.
 
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jimbo14 said:
I'm more of a "grip matters" man, and recently an IPSC GM made sure I knew that. :) Ultimately, you need to be able to hold the pistol steady enough so when you pull that trigger, the muzzle doesn't move by getting pulled in some undesirable direction. Pull that trigger straight back.
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It's not that grip doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter much for accuracy. I can hold a handgun with 4 fingers (two on the left hand, two on the right) and hit centre target. Grip = speed and repeatability.
 
You should try to take up the offers that have been made to meet fellow CGN'ers at the range. All the advice you are getting is good advice here, but what made the biggest difference to me was when a fellow CGN'er started coaching us at the range, my groupings improved dramatically and immediately with a good teacher. All the factors mentioned have bearing on your shooting, grip, sight picture, and trigger pull, a good teacher can diagnose your " habits" and correct them.
Last time we were shooting, my mentor was demonstrating trigger control by shooting my handgun upside down using only his pinky finger on the trigger, impressive trigger control to say the least :)
If you are lucky enough to have guys offer to help I say take them up on it,lol
 
4n2t0 said:
It's not that grip doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter much for accuracy. I can hold a handgun with 4 fingers (two on the left hand, two on the right) and hit centre target. Grip = speed and repeatability.
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If you're not gripping the gun correctly and adding pressure unevenly where you shouldn't, it matters very much.
 
4n2t0 said:
It's not that grip doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter much for accuracy. I can hold a handgun with 4 fingers (two on the left hand, two on the right) and hit centre target. Grip = speed and repeatability.
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I get what you're saying, but I disagree with the general statement to a new shooter, about grip not mattering much for accuracy. I coach shooters almost every week and ignoring their grip limits their progress.

I must bow to your skills though. I couldn't hold a pistol with 4 fingers and hit what I want. I need that strong, stable grip, esp when dealing with heavy, gritty, triggers. A while back I ran a small class and one of the elements was a "fundamentals check" drill. The goal was to put 5 rounds through 1 hole at 3 yards. Not one large ragged hole - but as small as possible(!) I designed a special target to eliminate aiming issues, and it was up to the shooter to do their part, five times in a row. One shooter with the "worst trigger ever" according to him, couldn't do the drill and handed me the gun. I did it correctly, twice in a row. If I didn't have the "proper" grip, there is no way I could have done it.
 
Well I'm definitely not a grand master, not even close, nor am I a coach of any kind. I'm better than some but without a doubt not as good as the majority of shooters on this forum. I only offer advice based on what has worked for me. I will admit that with any kind of speed (anything other than slow fire) grip becomes very important. Pulling the trigger without moving the handgun and managing a flinch greatly improves accuracy and a proper grip allows you to repeat that process consistently and with greater speed.

I think we're all on the same page here but admittedly I was splitting hairs when in came to accuracy as a standalone skill, my bad.
 
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By my eyes if you would move that target to the left most of those shots would have been center target. So my tip, move the target to the left.

Some pretty decent guys have offered to help if you are in their area.....take em up on it.
 
4n2t0 said:
I think we're all on the same page here but admittedly I was splitting hairs when in came to accuracy as a standalone skill, my bad.
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It's all good. :) Lots of great info in this thread, but sometimes the context matters. A point a few posts above about "match" guns is something that comes up too. Why is one gun easier to shoot than another? When the new shooter understands their part in sending bullets downrange, then the reasons why a match gun can make this easier is better understood. It isn't a matter of being a "purist" either. Just simply understanding the physics involved, and then matching the pistol and skill building objectives with the shooter's goals. Some people want to learn how to shoot any pistol well, and others may have limited range time and want an easier way to hit the bullseye, in the few times a year they can get out to play.

2bore: take those local guys up on their offer to help. In one session, you can learn so much, way faster than on your own.
 
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