HUGE Unknown Pistol - Info From The '80s

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Cleaning out some storage and ran across the pistol photo below. I once owned this pistol, when I lived in Victoria, BC about 30 years ago. To explain, I worked for a weekly newspaper, The Victorian, and ran classified ads in each issue asking to buy guns. This gun was offered by a very elderly gentleman in Esquimalt who knew nothing about it - or maybe had forgottin.

Over the years I've forgotten most of the details linked to this massive antique. I was a member of the Vancouver Island Arms Collectors Association (VIACA) and published a newletter for the club. I enlisted the aid of local, professional photographer, Ellis Shipman to take pictures I could use on the front cover of our monthly newsletter.

This picture was used on one of our issues. Ellis evidently wrote notes on the back (also pictured below). It would appear he contacted a Bill Scott's Pawn Shop for info. I can only guess at what his notes mean. (Nor do I recall where the open book in the background came from.)

J.W. Hill - Birmingham. Perhaps this is the designer's or manufacturer's name.

Prototype of revolver, serial # 11. As i recall, the gun was rather crude, in the white and had no grips.

1/2 in. bore slightly larger than .45. I remember it was BIG and I'm sure he alludes to the .45acp cartridge.

Length of cartridge 2 inches. Gun Weight 3 lbs. Groove bores in barrel - 5. All self-explanatory.

I've not been back to BC since the '90s, and spent no time in the Victoria area as our children we came to visit live up-island. Do not recall who purchased the gun back in the '80s. I sold a PILE of iron prior to moving back to the States to care for an elderly mother and also a mother-in-law.

I wanted to get this info out to the general collecting community in Canada in case this was just the clue some collector has been looking for. No use throwing it out instead of passing it on.

There's your clues. Hope someone can figure this one out. Sorry I ever let go of it now. It may still be up there in the lower mainland of BC, or over on the Island. I hope it's had a good home. mauser

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AND HERE ARE THE NOTES ON THE BACK....

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Not sure what the actual revolver is itself but the revolver in the reference photos in the background appear to be a Pistol Revolver .45 inch (Pryse)...

Commonly known as the Pryse's Army Revolver, it is a Webley made pistol patented by C Pryse in November 1876. It was a great favourite with Army Officers and has the distinction of being the first pistol to have a rebounding hammer (ie one in which the hammer, after striking the cap, rises far enough to be withdrawn from contact with it). It is sometimes called the 'Chinese Webley' due to the fact that the Chinese Government bought large quantities. It is said that the popularity of this pistol started Webleys, who were then emerging from the doldrums due to the success of their 'RIC' (Royal Irish Constabulary) revolver, on the quest for a really first class 'Break-down' self-ejector, which of course they eventually achieved. This particular pistol was sold by Henry of Edinburgh and London (Martini-Henry fame).

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http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/pistols/armpr.htm

I'm in the Victoria area but don't recall ever seeing or hearing about this big old wheelgun. Incidently, I used to deliver 'The Victorian' paper when I was a kid...
 
Thanks For The Feedback

Hi NAA - Don't think that's the same gun. Similar, but check out the complicated lever system for breaking open the gun I posted. The gun in your photo appears to use a simple "break-open" method. I could be wrong. (My wife tells me I've been wrong a couple of times in the last 5 decades we've been married. BUT I DIGRESS...)

Since you're in the Victoria area you should check the phone book for Ellis Shipman photog, and that Bill Scott's Pawn Shop. Would be interesting to know if they're both still in operation.

If you delivered The Victorian you more than likely worked for me. I started out as an ad salesman but no one would buy ads because they saw too many copies piled up in ditches around Oak Bay, Esquimalt, Colwood, etc.. So, I became Circulation Manager, for several years, Even helped the owners get their Victoria Visitor started. I imagine it's still around, eh?

We had over a hundred members in and around Victoria and the lower mainland in VIACA. Should be a few elderly ex-members floating around. I know Barry Beazley and his sons are still in the area.

You've probably never seen THIS shoulder patch at any of the local gun shows. Yes, that's a penny beside it to show scale.

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Way back when, we used to hold BIG gun shows in the Empress, and other large hotels up-island occasionally. Beazley and other Malahat Marauders (our Black Powder division of VIACA) even hauled a huge cannon INSIDE the Empress and set it up outside the doors to the big ballroom where the show was being held.

Guess I've bored you enough. Glad to hear from onother Victorian veteran. mauser
 
mauser said:
Hi NAA - Don't think that's the same gun. Similar, but check out the complicated lever system for breaking open the gun I posted. The gun in your photo appears to use a simple "break-open" method. I could be wrong.

I realize that it's not the same revolver as your example BUT it appears to be the same revolver as the one in the pictures behind it in your photo... check out some of the detail, etc.... The Pryse revolver in my post has the same kind of hammer as your former gun.

Will check on those other things...

Wasn't 'The Victorian' called "The Shopper" before it was 'The Victorian'?

Yeah, I recall the big 2 day annual VIACA gun shows at "The Empress"... moved out of town now to the "Marry Winspear" hall [formerly Sansha Hall] in Sidney, B.C. right beside Hwy 17. Big 2 day gun show coming up Sept 23 & 24 again this year. Nothing like the 'old days', though...:(
 
Check The Picture Closer...

Hi NAA. Please look closely at the bottom right gun pictured in the book used as background for this old pistol. Note the very odd lever action - a CURVED lever - on that gun. AND note that exact same lever on the old pistol laying on top of those photos. NOW, look at the Preyse photo - NO SUCH LEVER.

Yep! You're absolutely correct! The Victorian was originally named the The Victorian Shopper. The originators, John Damgarde (service station owner in Cadboro Bay), and Alf Pederson (operated a kiddy school on the Northwest side of Victoria), decided to give it some class by dropping the word "Shopper" from its title. They were right.

Below is a photo of one of my business cards from when I was Circulation Manager of The Victorian. Discovered I don't have any cards with Shopper on them. (Hey, maybe we didn't even have any cards back then????)

I've even still got my The Daily Colonist PRESS PASS, dated 1968! I was Police/Court/Marine Reporter for the Colonist before joining Alf and John in their new venture. I also helped them get The Victorian Visitor started and have my Sales Manager business cards from then.

I can imagine what the current gun shows up there must look like. Ours around here are still the old-style "swap and yap" sessions. Lots of fun. mauser

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Side Note About Your 1911 Comment....

Hey, NAA! I forgot to remark on your1911 comment.

I'm thinking about ardering one of those new 40-rd drums for my A-O 1911A1. Below is a photo from the seller's online catalog of that drum. Here's the URl for the thread I started on another forum down here regarding the drum. You should check it out. mauser

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mauser said:
Hey, NAA! I forgot to remark on your1911 comment.

I'm thinking about ardering one of those new 40-rd drums for my A-O 1911A1. Below is a photo from the seller's online catalog of that drum. Here's the URl for the thread I started on another forum down here regarding the drum. You should check it out. mauser

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Im intrested in that drum mag for the 1022 seen in back.
 
Better Grab It Now...

Hey, RobertMcC. I'm seriously thinking of investing in a couple of those for the 10/22 and stash them away. There's one heckuva lot of 10/22 owners out there who'll someday be sishing they had bought one of these "when they were cheap." I go through those kind of pangs every time I look through back issues of The American Rifleman.

Their website is at www.sportsmansguide.com

In the search engine on that web page enter Product Number HX6A1-106852 That's for the 50-rd Ruger 10/22 drum at $59.97 plus S/H. mauser
 
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