Hunter Orange Necessary?

" I agree many guys here are trigger happy but on the cows unfortunately I don't think the painted targets had anything to do with the idiots killing them
We had cows for years and no matter what we did one would lose at least 1/2 dozen or more every year to what called themselves hunters
Seems most would shoot them just to watch something die
We did once catch one group however and they were so drunk they didnot have a clue what they were shooting. What happened they got a slap in the end and never had to pay for the cows nor were charged with anything"

Out in AB a fellow would go missing doing those types of shenanigans. I have never once seen a cow shot either by accident or deliberately hunting out here or in MB or QC. Shooting somebody's cow to watch it die? Hunting drunk? No wonder you guys HAVE to wear orange.
 
Boomer said:
Does this mean that you advocate shooting before your target is identified?

There are many reasons why a hunter who is pushing bush might not be seen by the guy on post, and blaze orange may or may not make him visible. Common sense suggests that if a shooter properly identifies his target, knows what lies beyond it, and conducts himself accordingly, he is a much safer hunter than someone who relies solely on seeing a flash or orange nylon to stop his trigger finger from tightening, when the willows in front of him are moving. Why is there not a higher incidence rate of accidental shootings in those jurisdictions where there is no color requirement? The reason is because the color of one's outer clothing makes no difference to safety; safety is a state of mind not a state of color. Blaze orange requirements are an excuse to accept bad behavior; where hunter education and the instilling of a safe and correct mindset among hunters is the route we should be taking.
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I stopped reading right here, this sums it up perfectly. I hate the orange regulations. I hate unsafe people. Just get rid of both.

Was reading all this on my phone and didn't realize I was Quoting Mike until I hit reply. Lol
 
What are the chances that the arguments put forth in this thread will convince the orange advocates that they should not wear orange or that the non-orange advocates should wear orange. :)
 
Good question, but I am an advocate for freedom of choice. Common sense should always prevail, if it's lacking, let Darwins theory clean up the gene pool.

I do not believe my beliefs should be FORCED upon you or any others, nor theirs on me. Just give us the right to choose and decide for ourselves. Then we can debate topics like this all day long and educate each other without prejudice or arrogance.
 
ronecol said:
What are the chances that the arguments put forth in this thread will convince the orange advocates that they should not wear orange or that the non-orange advocates should wear orange. :)
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The chances are about zero, but it reinforced the fact that I have no desire to hunt in the Eastern half of the country.
 
3macs1 said:
snip...I'm a retired Conservation Officer and when I went to work in 1970 we killed 12 to 15 hunters during our two weeks of deer season. After the mandatory blaze orange law went into effect and we wrote enough citations to show people we were serious about the law I was proud that in 2005 was the first deer season in the history of our state that not 1 hunter got killed. Our biggest problem now is hunters dieing from heart attacks. Blaze orange works
Cheers
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No one picked up on this humorous admission. It's the conservation officers killing the hunters and writing citations for not wearing orange. When beaurocrats in Ontario want you to do what they direct, you better listen or else. Note also, it took 35 years to reach full compliance where no one needed to be shot. The older generation had to die off naturally or otherwise.
 
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Cleftwynd said:
Good question, but I am an advocate for freedom of choice. Common sense should always prevail, if it's lacking, let Darwins theory clean up the gene pool.

I do not believe my beliefs should be FORCED upon you or any others, nor theirs on me. Just give us the right to choose and decide for ourselves. Then we can debate topics like this all day long and educate each other without prejudice or arrogance.
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But the government told me I'm not smart enough to make my own decisions and that they will look out for my best interests. We better just do what they say, they've got years of experience knowing what's best for us.
 
Brad34340 said:
Does any one here believe that wearing blaze orange is in any way a disadvantage to the hunter wearing it ( I'm talking about deer moose and elk hunting)

-- and if so could you please enlighten me as to what that / those disadvantage(s) is / are?

I mean if you simply don't like it when the government tells you what to wear -- that's cool and I have no argument with you
I also don't like when they mandate I wear a helmet on my quad, a seatbelt in my truck or a life jacket in my boat -- but I do it for my own reasons and would do it even if they didn't mandate it.

My guess would be that if one was to poll CGN as to if hunters today are as safe to be around as they were in the past (whenever that was lol) -- I would expect the response to be "No today's hunters are (aggregate) less skilled, less courteous and less safe to be around. Though perhaps I can't back that up and it flies along the train of thought as kids today etc.

Ignoring the no one would / should shoot at any animal they haven't identified -- It is very difficult to argue that some orange would make someone down range more easily identified for a hunter. A still hunter stalking a ridge who sees a deer stand up or bolt away, a guy siting in a blind who sees a deer approach or even a "hunter" that jumps out of his truck to take a crack at a deer he spots -- if I'm standing, sitting or walking beyond any of these animals it's easier to see me if I have some blaze Orange on -- unlike the guys in a lay out blind or camp that have recounted stories of people stopping and shooting at their decoy spreads in this very thread.

Anyway I understand why a waterfowl hunter would believe blaze orange would put his chances in his blind at a disadvantage -- my question again was does anyone here believe that wearing the orange puts them at a disadvantage hunting deer, moose or elk ? And if so what disadvantage is it that they alleviate by not wearing it.

Again if it's just about not liking being told what to wear -- groovy

I suppose the opposition could also simply be that someone doesn't like how orange looks from a fashion point of view -- that's cool , I mean there are folks that think camo from head to toe looks stupid too and simply choose appropriate colors / materials for their hunting clothing.
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I don't like so called safety laws that do nothing to improve my safety. I don't like incurring extra expense to comply with these laws, either. In BC we start the fall hunting season Aug 1 and it goes till mid December. Having several pumpkin outfits that are suitable for all weather and terrain conditions encountered during this time would be an unneccesaey expense.

If I thought orange would save lives I would be in favour of it, but it does not improve safety. As I mentioned earlier, Hunter Ed courses contributed more to safety than any other factor. The good ol days were more dangerous.
 
Gatehouse said:
I don't like so called safety laws that do nothing to improve my safety. I don't like incurring extra expense to comply with these laws, either. In BC we start the fall hunting season Aug 1 and it goes till mid December. Having several pumpkin outfits that are suitable for all weather and terrain conditions encountered during this time would be an unneccesaey expense.
If I thought orange would save lives I would be in favour of it, but it does not improve safety. As I mentioned earlier, Hunter Ed courses contributed more to safety than any other factor. The good ol days were more dangerous.
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I and many other people solve that problem by using lightweight vests that go over anything we own.

nowarningshot said:
So do people normally shoot at others in Ontario? Guess i am asking, as in decades of hunting in BC i have never worn orange, never been shot at. Seems we are programmed to accept more useless things, not just gun regulation and control.
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No people do not shoot at each other in Ontario, such incidents are exceedingly rare, especially considering the rather dense concentration of hunters in some areas. You may notice I have challenged an extravagant claim or two made about that but there was no response.
 
I like mandatory blaze orange because it helps me see other hunters who may be in the vicinity. It also help me be seen by them.
 
Gatehouse said:
I don't like so called safety laws that do nothing to improve my safety. I don't like incurring extra expense to comply with these laws, either. In BC we start the fall hunting season Aug 1 and it goes till mid December. Having several pumpkin outfits that are suitable for all weather and terrain conditions encountered during this time would be an unneccesaey expense.

If I thought orange would save lives I would be in favour of it, but it does not improve safety. As I mentioned earlier, Hunter Ed courses contributed more to safety than any other factor. The good ol days were more dangerous.
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They do make vests that will go over everything you can manage.... as for hat they make baseball hats, touques, balaclava's. Why would you need a seperate outfit for each weather pattern ?
 
ronecol said:
What are the chances that the arguments put forth in this thread will convince the orange advocates that they should not wear orange or that the non-orange advocates should wear orange. :)
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I would compare the odds with these examples; Trying to talk a dedicated smoker into quitting ( as soon as I finish this pack I'm quitting) Wearing your seat belt ( but I never drive over 80 kmph) Dog walker on unlit streets and roads after dark wearing dark clothing ( Oh but I always walk on the side of the road) And there are numerous other examples all with similar "justifications" by the person in question. Personally I don't want to shoot someone or be shot at for the sake of wearing blaze orange where mandatory or where self preservation is a common sense decision. I don't think a grouse pays much attention to an orange vest or hat but it sure helps keep track of your partner and vice-versa, also doesn't hurt to have a blaze orange vest on your dog as well.
 
For the people that really want to be seen by other hunters. With the beacon flashing everyone should notice you.


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Claybuster said:
I like mandatory blaze orange because it helps me see other hunters who may be in the vicinity. It also help me be seen by them.
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Yes, let's let the government make rules to protect us, 'cause we're too incompetent to do it ourselves.:rolleyes:
No one will be hurt by not wearing orange, 'cept the guy who choses the freedom not too.
And let's take away the responsibility of a hunter who sound shoots or doesn't make sure of his target before pulling the trigger.
And lastly, I'm sure it's no coincidence they chose orange, the symbol of oppression in the political world.
 
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