Hunters, Deer Ticks & Lyme disease

finstr said:
One fellow hunter contracted Lyme disease and he was never bitten by a tick. He happened to be gutting a deer that he killed and in doing so cut his hand with his own knife. The cut was minor and didn't need stitches but did get quite sore afterwards. Didn't think much of it until he got really sick.....
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It is possible that he was bitten, but simply didn't notice.

However, another interesting aspect of this that no one seems to want to discuss is possible transmission via bodily fluids.

The bacillus is a spirochete like syphilis. It is ###ually transmissible? I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be.
 
RRCo. said:
It is possible that he was bitten, but simply didn't notice.

However, another interesting aspect of this that no one seems to want to discuss is possible transmission via bodily fluids.

The bacillus is a spirochete like syphilis. It is ###ually transmissible? I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be.
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Is it ###ually transmitted? No, it is not. The Lymes specialist I deal with stated that and my wife has not got it. I had it for years before it was diagnosed. He states that it cannot be tranmitted human to human and he has dealt with many cases.
I suspect the fellow was bitten and didn't know. I'm fairly sure I got it while deer hunting. Most likely from a tic that was on one of the dead deer I handled as I did most of the skinning at that time and liked to skin them out soon after they died.
 
theDuck said:
Is it ###ually transmitted? No, it is not. The Lymes specialist I deal with stated that and my wife has not got it. I had it for years before it was diagnosed. He states that it cannot be tranmitted human to human and he has dealt with many cases.
I suspect the fellow was bitten and didn't know. I'm fairly sure I got it while deer hunting. Most likely from a tic that was on one of the dead deer I handled as I did most of the skinning at that time and liked to skin them out soon after they died.
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transmition is a VERY contentious issue, it is FACT that many family units have Lyme how they contracted it is still unproven. "they" say you can only contract it through a deer tick "others" say perhaps spiders, mosquitoes, like a fellow poster threw blood and bodily fluids.

look it up nothing is proven in this field especially the thought that ONLY a deer tick can transmit. s**t until just very recently Lyme apparently didn’t exist past the US/Canada border, but MS is much higher in Canada…. Lyme mimics MS and other fowl diseases. Go figure….. like I said VERY contentious!
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We can agree that Lyme can mimic MS. For years I was checked for MS but things didn't exactly line up. Ontario has one of the highest incidences of MS in the world but like only 5 new Lyme cases year. There would be 5 folks with Lyme at one time in the specialists office when I was there.
 
theDuck said:
Is it ###ually transmitted? No, it is not. The Lymes specialist I deal with stated that and my wife has not got it. I had it for years before it was diagnosed. He states that it cannot be tranmitted human to human and he has dealt with many cases.
I suspect the fellow was bitten and didn't know. I'm fairly sure I got it while deer hunting. Most likely from a tic that was on one of the dead deer I handled as I did most of the skinning at that time and liked to skin them out soon after they died.
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I'd like to believe them, but logic and common sense says otherwise.

How about blood transfusions? If the spirochete is in its reproduction phase and is in the bloodstream at the time?
 
Seeing lots of them on the dogs in the last week or so, especially around eyelids. Quite frankly, the little bastards are so small that if they were on my head/in hair, there's no way I'd find them within a 24 hr. period. I saw the first one about 10 years ago, they're increasing every year.

Does Advantix/Frontline work on humans? :D
 
bearkilr said:
It's not so much the crawling up as the falling down on the head. Permethryn shampoo? :p
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That's never been an issue around these parts really. The ticks chill in the long grass and latch on to your pants when you walk by then crawl up and end up in your shirt.

Last few years I've been bitten so many times it's unreal. Last year I discovered Permethryn and treated all of my hunting clothes. Not a single tick, while my hunting crew refused "chemicals" like a bunch of dirty hippies and they all got bitten, every time.

You can literally see them die the instant they crawl on your treated clothing.
 
Thought I'd share some knowlege on lyme disease:

The bullseye rash, called erythema migrans, is present in about 80% of US cases of Lyme disease. BUT only 25% of people with the rash remember getting a tick bite.

Other symptoms of early disease are:
Fatigue - 54 percent
Anorexia - 26 percent
Headache - 42 percent
Neck stiffness - 35 percent
Myalgias (translation: muscle aches)- 44 percent
Arthralgias - 44 percent
Regional lymphadenopathy (translation: swollen lymph nodes)- 23 percent
Fever - 16 percent

Those are all pretty vague complaints (from a clinician's perspective), and it can start anywhere from 3 to 31 days after getting bitten. So if you've been out in a high-risk area e.g. out hunting, and you get any of this stuff up to 1 month afterwards, go see your family Dr. They should start you on ~2 weeks of antibiotics.

Apparently there used to be a vaccine for Lyme disease. Maybe they'll bring it back if the incidence of the disease goes up...

Hope that helps.
 
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Seems there could be more than just lyme disease to worry about with ticks

hXXp://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/06/red-meat-allergy-likely-caused-by-tick-bites/
 
duncaneby said:
Thought I'd share some knowlege on lyme disease:

The bullseye rash, called erythema migrans, is present in about 80% of US cases of Lyme disease. BUT only 25% of people with the rash remember getting a tick bite.

Other symptoms of early disease are:
Fatigue - 54 percent
Anorexia - 26 percent
Headache - 42 percent
Neck stiffness - 35 percent
Myalgias (translation: muscle aches)- 44 percent
Arthralgias - 44 percent
Regional lymphadenopathy (translation: swollen lymph nodes)- 23 percent
Fever - 16 percent

Those are all pretty vague complaints (from a clinician's perspective), and it can start anywhere from 3 to 31 days after getting bitten. So if you've been out in a high-risk area e.g. out hunting, and you get any of this stuff up to 1 month afterwards, go see your family Dr. They should start you on ~2 weeks of antibiotics.

Apparently there used to be a vaccine for Lyme disease. Maybe they'll bring it back if the incidence of the disease goes up...

Hope that helps.
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those symptoms are the early stages later it get much worse and harder to treat. you should be on no less than 3 weeks of antibiotic like doxycycline in the 1 stage of the disease. I’ve heard of doc's prescribing 4 to 5 weeks during my research.
 
Pick up a "Tick Twister" from most vets or pet supply stores for about $7. It allows you to pull the tick out completely intact and alive. Put the tick in a sealed container with a moist piece of paper towel (to prolong it's life) and bring it to a hospital or vet for Lyme testing... that's if you want to play it safe.
 
For the nay sayers: I have had the opportunity to watch a very young man contract and suffer from Lyme. Went from a very active to very very sick young man in a few months. Uncapable of moving some days due to the uncotrolable pain and exhaustion caused by it. It was brutal.
Our medical system was zero help. In fact they accused him of faking it (for what reason?).
Thats was all in the Okanagan where there is no proof of Lyme, but they hve signs warning for it.
 
42MTD said:
I worked with a girl who was bitten 2 years ago. Developed flu like symptoms for a few weeks and they went away. Several months later she started getting ill again and finally after 14 months she sent samples to the USA to get a positive hit for Lyme. All 3 Canadian test showed negative and she was told 80% of our test are false negatives..she has become so sick because of the late diagnosis she is pretty much wheelchair bound and has home visits everyday by her nurse. It has been pretty scary watching her decline so rapidly from a tick bite that if treated correctly at the start may have been prevented.
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I know somebody in her situation.

He had to start treatment in NY and paid cash to start on broad spectrum antibiotics there because the doctors here had no idea what to look for. He is not as bad off now as your friend but still can't even go outside during the day due to complications between the meds and the UV from the sun.

They are getting better though, as more cases emerge and he is being treated here now, but if he didn't cross the border to see a doctor when he did he would probably be much worse off.

The USA North East has been dealing with this problem for years.
 
My niece in North Carolina got Lyme disease 2 summers in a row. The difference is that down there the doctors all know about it and know what to give you, not like here where most doctors don't even consider it.
 
Myself and my fiance live in N. Alberta. About a year and a half - two years ago the missus went through a series of blood tests trying to figure out what was wrong. She was able to move around fine and wasn't sick but she was perpetually exhausted and lethargic. After awhile it was a S. African Dr. that had the idea to check for a bacteria that causes (or goes hand in hand with...something like that) lyme disease. She tested positive for that. It was a total of 12 weeks of antibiotics with a blood test at the 6 week interval and again at the end. Bacteria is gone and she has been back to normal. In the 6-8 months before she started to notice something wasn't right she was in the lower mainland of BC, S.W. Ontario and in Mexico City (and surrounding area) for work purposes....so we can't really pinoint where the tick would have come from....that's my story
 
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