Hunting ammo
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It is not illegal to use FMJs in SW Ontario. It might be questionable for hunting, but it's not illegal.
correct....
your so called "instructor" was smoking crack and should know better...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_metal_jacket_bullet
A full metal jacket (or FMJ) is a bullet encased in a shell of copper alloy (such as gilding metal or cupronickel) or a steel-alloy shell.
almost 95% of hunting rounds are FMJ's
I'm sure he was confused with Steel Core rounds which are not illegal, to hunt with, but have way to much penetration and don't impart much energy into the animal. (compared to a lead core)
Most hunting rounds have a copper jacket, but not a Full Metal Jacket, a full metal jacket bullet generally has no lead exposed, at the front of the bullet at least. This keeps the bullet from expanding, hense why it is not a good idea for hunting, does not transfer energy to the game as soft point ammo does.
We were told it was not allowed to hunt, but I cannot pin point where it is in writing, I would suggest if you want to find the game don't use them, if you are shooting groundhogs or any other pest and don't care if they run off then using them is your thing, and well if legal in your area.
It is used in war as it will not kill as easily, it takes 1 guy to die on the battlefield but it takes 3 to take care of someone just shot.
We were told it was not allowed to hunt, but I cannot pin point where it is in writing, I would suggest if you want to find the game don't use them, if you are shooting groundhogs or any other pest and don't care if they run off then using them is your thing, and well if legal in your area.
It is used in war as it will not kill as easily, it takes 1 guy to die on the battlefield but it takes 3 to take care of someone just shot.
Copper is a metal.. and are considered a FMJ if they cover the whole bullet. I use FMJ (copper) for deer and they have no problem mushrooming, and imparting a lot of energy in the deer.
people are confusing a steel jacket, or a steel core, and lumping them all together and saying FMJ's are bad..
people are confusing a steel jacket, or a steel core, and lumping them all together and saying FMJ's are bad..
No, you are confusing a Jacketed soft point bullet, with a Full Metal Jacketed bullet. They are different things.
FMJ bullets have a jacket that covers the entire nose of the bullet, and are designed to NOT expand. There is no exposed lead or plastic tip or opening at the tip of the FMJ bullet. Usually FMJ bullets are used in Military ammo, as the Geneva Convention requires that the ammunition used does not cause "undue suffering" or some such phrase. If you look at a FMJ bullet that has been pulled, or one that has been bought it usually has an opening at the bullet's base, where the core has been inserted into the jacket when it is being made.
That is not taking into account bullets like the Barnes TSX's which are solid copper, but are designed to expand, and are neither FMJ or Jacketed bullets.
Jacketed bullets ARE built with an exposed tip or plastic tip or a hollow point, as the case may be, and the ARE designed to expand. Just because the jacket is metal, and it covers most of the bullet, does not make it a full metal jacket.
It's got nothing to do with what the core is made of. In most provinces (apparently not in bantario, though) hunting with a full metal jacket bullet is prohibited as the bullets do not expand, and thus, do not reliably kill the game animals they are shot at. In some provinces, simply being in possesion of FMJ ammo while hunting,is enough to land you in the sh!t (Manitoba, if one thread is to be believed).
If you have FMJ ammo that reliably expands, post pictures, both of the ammo and of the label of the box it comes in.
Cheers
Trev
wow you seem to know a lot about an ammo you do not know about,nor have never seen. please tell me. what powder did i use and how many grains??
they ARE fmj's and cover the entire bullet.
I agree with trevj on this. However just because a bullet is a hollow point does not mean it should be used for hunting. Most match bullets are not suited for hunting big game.
FMJ bullets are not made to expand regardless of the core material.
FMJ bullets are not made to expand regardless of the core material.
FMJ: "Bullet whose jacket is open only at rear". These are military bulets not designed for hunting except for pelts.
Trevj is correcty and has given a polite and educational expanation.
Peter Dobson, representing Nammo Lapua Oy, Finland
Trevj is correcty and has given a polite and educational expanation.
Peter Dobson, representing Nammo Lapua Oy, Finland
If you want you bullet to pass right through the deer with out expanding, leaving a small,clean hole right through the deer and have it take off injured, then FMJ is your best bet. If you want to hunt properly, then use ammo suited for hunting like Soft point, pointed soft point, lead round nose, hollow point etc.
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you guys are so brain washed into believing that crap, it bordering on funny.
there is nothing wrong with hunting with FMJs
here is a picture of the ones I use (and yes, I have used a .40 S&W on a deer with absolutely no problems on expansion, and on damage. Both deer I shot last year using the .40 went down with a single shot, no problems. actually better, as the bullet didn't leave the deer (chest) impacting 100% of it's energy on it, unlike a rifle round which passed right through. )
BTW: FMJ's are NOT just military bullets.
Handgun hunting are we?
Since the vast majority of deer hunting is done with rifles/rifle rounds instead of pistol rounds, then what you just said is really not relavent to most hunting. If you shoot an animal with a FMJ rifle round, it will just make a clean hole right through it and the aminal will take off injured, especially big game. I suppose if you made a damn good vital area shot with a FMJ, then you could take it, but why risk it? You should use proper, expandung bullets when hunting.
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Yeah I figured that, I was just kidding with you bud.
Soft point
FMJ
Both copper jacketed, but the latter is FULLY copper jacketed where as the first has a soft point. The soft point is the hunting round, where as the FMJ is a millitary/ range shooting round. The FMJ would pass so quickly and cleanly though the deer that it would not kill it. It would just take off injured, unless you made a head shot or perfect vital shot.
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We hunt coyotes in a farm area with lots of farms, country homes, hamlets and villages. In the winter when the ground is frozen I found that soft point bullets riccohet more than hollow points. We all use hollow points for that safety reason only. I have no proof buy I bet FMJ would riccohet more?
I'd love to be a fly on the wall for THAT conversation with the CO!
Either you have an FMJ, and it wont expand, or you have something else, and you are talking outa yer behind.
I'm leaning towards the latter.
The discussion is not about whether they are JUST military bullets, military only came into the discussion as they use a lot of them, for the reasons mentioned.
By definition, as FMJ bullets they would not be legal to hunt with in the three western provinces. Those are the provinces I have hunted in.
Dunno how the Ontario CO's would read the regs, or the judge that would see the case, but I figure that if the Ontario regs say that you cannot use a non expanding bullet, as per 2fat2fly's post, yer in fer a rough ride in court if you get caught using them.
Unless you want to ante up with a cite that says that the Montana Gold FMJ's are somehow different from every other FMJ bullet made.
Cheers
Trev
Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. You obviously think I need prove myself to you.. I don't give a rats ass what you think. The fact is that the FMJ's I use a perfectly fine for hunting, and have no problem expanding.. you seem to think that some arm chair, third hand knowledge that you picked up from the internet seems to trump the meat sitting in my freezer then go ahead and keep deluding yourself.
