Hunting ammo

FMJ's are made NOT to expand. They are not the right ammo to hunt with. Legal or not, it just doesn't make sense to shoot a small,clean hole right though an animal and have it take off injured.
 
Strange as this may seem to you, I do not actually doubt that you have shot and killed deer with those bullets. Guys have shot and killed moose with 22's. Some still do shoot and kill game with Military surplus FMJ ammo. Effectively even.
Not legally or ethically, though.

I simply think you deserving of being added to a whole lot of idiot lists for thinking that full metal jacket bullets are OK for hunting the kind of game we have around North America, and for saying so outright, especially without providing any of the details as to what you are using.
Which, all said and done does not make me feel any less inclined to think of you otherwise, knowing the details.

Cheers
Trev
 
I have heard that there are FMJ that expand. I haven't see them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Thats why the regs are written "non-expanding" rather than FMJ. BUT it's not a conversation I'd want to have with a gung ho CO.
 
Wow!

Thanks for all the really inspired responses everyone. I'm not sure it makes any difference, but the round in question for me was a 22-250 Winchester whitebox JHP round (jacketed hollow point) which I had shot a few rounds of at the range.

There was no real ethical issue for me, because I wouldn't really consider using these bullets in a hunting application. I would much prefer a round specifically designed for the game I would be hunting, in this case, yotes, foxes and similar.

As a point of interest, I didn't even see the term about 'non-expanding' ammunition at all, in fact (and I might just be blind) but all I saw regarding the ammo (other than caliber restrictions) was that a shotgun must be plugged for three cartridges and the 5 shot center fire thing.

In any event, stirred up a lively discussion

Thanks again for all the feedback
 
Fox said:
and claiming FMJ are the best round for the purpose.

go mangle up a few deer with your 40 S&W and have fun doing it.
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ahh so the way to prove your point is to make false claims about what is have said ( I said they can be used I never said they are 'best') and to accuse me of 'mangling' a deer. (isn't that what bullets do?? your tone is obvious though)

grow up..
 
Onagoth said:
Wow!

Thanks for all the really inspired responses everyone. I'm not sure it makes any difference, but the round in question for me was a 22-250 Winchester whitebox JHP round (jacketed hollow point) which I had shot a few rounds of at the range.

There was no real ethical issue for me, because I wouldn't really consider using these bullets in a hunting application. I would much prefer a round specifically designed for the game I would be hunting, in this case, yotes, foxes and similar.

As a point of interest, I didn't even see the term about 'non-expanding' ammunition at all, in fact (and I might just be blind) but all I saw regarding the ammo (other than caliber restrictions) was that a shotgun must be plugged for three cartridges and the 5 shot center fire thing.

In any event, stirred up a lively discussion

Thanks again for all the feedback
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I pulled up the Ontario regs online and looked through them, and did not see anything to that effect either, at least, not as I was able to find searching the file. No caliber or power definitions, beyond simply "center fire rifle" either, so I figure all the .22 Hornet guys should be pleased. :D

Usually, if there are regs to that effect, they are in relation to hunting large game, rather than small game or Varmints, but who's to know what they were thinking when they wrote the synopsis up, and what things may lurk to bite one on the behind, in the full version of the regulations.
FWIW, lots of fur hunters have used FMJ's, to minimize pelt damage. The downside to them for that, is that a fox or coyote can run a long ways if he takes 10 seconds to die, and it cuts into the profits if you cannot find the carcass.

Cheers
Trev
 
It depends where and what you are hunting. If you are after small game there are a lot of WMU's that have a nothing bigger than 270 rule, most FMJ are for military cartridges and are 30 cal or bigger.
 
Got a page number in the regs that shows that?

The more I dig through the copy I got of the province's site, the happier I am I don't have to try to figure out where/when/why/how for my on use. Some of the stuff in there is pretty well defined (like what constitutes legal bow and arrow) while this stuff seems to have been completely passed over.
I'm sure it all made perfect sense to the art major that put it together.

edit: not too impressed with the Acrobat Reader search function, either!


Cheers
Trev
 
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