I have a vz 58 5.56 with a magwell adapter that holds 10 round LAR 15 pistol mags. I would like to use the gun for some coyote hunting. Can I use those mags or must I use an AR mag that is pinned to five rounds for hunting?
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they are not pistol rounds they are .223 rem but the mags are considered pistols mags which is why they are legal to use in this rifle, because they are pistol mags they can legally hold 10 rounds. Its a loophole in the law which is why they make the magwel adapter for this gun so you can shoot 10 rounds instead of 5. I'm just not sure if I can hunt with those mags, or I need one that is pinned to 5
Brutus
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I'll expand that a bit and say, it depends on your provincial hunting regulations.
Well, lets see, as I understand the Federal law, which supercedes Provincial Acts, states that magazine capacity for semi-auto rifles is 5. Pinned magazines are legal, as that becomes their capacity. The regulation does not provide an exception for "pistol mags".
If you are hunting with a magazine capacity more than 5 in a semi-auto, then, by law, that is specifically prohibited. The exception is the 22 LR stuff, grandfathered and Garands. I would not want to rely on a "pistol" mag argument - in 223 non-restricted semi-auto rifle to an Wildlife, RCMP officer or a judge that you were not breaking the law for reasons that the magazine is a pistol mag. Page 126 of the Firearms Manual, which you took to get your PAL, also emphasizes this point.
Now, the other issue is that who told you that those magazines were "legal" to use in the rifle. I know they are compatible with the rifle operationally, but that is not the same as being legal. I have an unpinned 30 round magazine. If I go to the range or into the field and use it, or even insert it into my rifle, I am breaking the law (risking large fines, confiscation and the loss of my range privileges) unless I get it pinned.
If you are hunting with a magazine capacity more than 5 in a semi-auto, then, by law, that is specifically prohibited. The exception is the 22 LR stuff, grandfathered and Garands. I would not want to rely on a "pistol" mag argument - in 223 non-restricted semi-auto rifle to an Wildlife, RCMP officer or a judge that you were not breaking the law for reasons that the magazine is a pistol mag. Page 126 of the Firearms Manual, which you took to get your PAL, also emphasizes this point.
Now, the other issue is that who told you that those magazines were "legal" to use in the rifle. I know they are compatible with the rifle operationally, but that is not the same as being legal. I have an unpinned 30 round magazine. If I go to the range or into the field and use it, or even insert it into my rifle, I am breaking the law (risking large fines, confiscation and the loss of my range privileges) unless I get it pinned.
Chuckbuster
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Call and ask your local CO. The regs specifically state that 5 rounds is the max under federal law, but go on to say that that is open to change if the magazine is exempted under the FA. I'd say you would be legal; people hunt with Garands, too. However, when in doubt, check with the CO.
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I agree with you that if I hunt I will have to use a pinned 5 round mag. As for the legality of the 10 round pistol mag every dealer on this forum says it is legal to use them because of the fact they are considered pistol magazines, as you know a pistol magazine can legally hold 10 rounds
Brutus
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Exactly! Hence the only other glitch is provincial hunting reg's.
There is a lot of misinformation here. The RCMP have said that LAR 15 10 shot 223 magazines can legally be used in any production firearm that will take them. I have a SU 16 and when I found that out I went a bought a bunch of them. These magazines must be stamped RRA Model LAR-15 pistol magazine Calibre .223 10, round capacity. Originally made for the RRA 223 cal pistol.
These mags must have that information right on them or they are illegal. You are not allowed to cut down a 20 round mag to 10 rounds.
Strange but true
Regards hunting, depends what your Provincial Hunting regs say about magazine capacities for centrefire autoloading rifles, but I suspect it's 5 rounds like the Federal regs.
These mags must have that information right on them or they are illegal. You are not allowed to cut down a 20 round mag to 10 rounds.
Strange but true
Regards hunting, depends what your Provincial Hunting regs say about magazine capacities for centrefire autoloading rifles, but I suspect it's 5 rounds like the Federal regs.
BigUglyMan
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So three paragraphs of useless drivel because you don't know the law. Magazine capacity is regulated by the firearm the mag is designed for. In this case the mag is designed for the LAR-15 pistol thus is it a pistol mag and completely legal.
If you don't know (not think, know) then dry up and let someone that knows answer the question.
bearkilr
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As BUM stated above, you're pretty much wrong on all points and I might add that you're in possession of a prohibited magazine, it need not be inserted into a gun to become illegal.
Also, the feds don't generally regulate hunting, that's left up to the individual provincial Wildlife Acts, the only exception being Migratory Game Birds.
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Excuse me?!? Useless drivel? The OP asked a very valid question and it is absolutely unbelievable as to how ignorant some people can be. You do not have to be a fukk'n lawyer to understand that the Federal Law, regardless of which Provincial jurisdiction the OP resides, specifically states that a semi-automatic rifle can have a maximum capacity of 5. PERIOD. Useless drivel my ass! You wanna use more, go for it. You wanna use the excuse that because the mag is sold in Canada, that it must be legal, then do whatever you need to. Don't agree with my opinion, it doesn't matter, because in the end, you're the one who's gonna pay, not me.
For the OP, I draw your attention to:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
Pay close attention to Number 2, 3 and 4. Provincial Law does not supercede Federal Law. And, now that you know, you can make your own decision.
The limit for hunting is 5 rounds, its in the regulation book. If you havent got one grab one next time your at the gun shop, its free. When it comes to the hunting laws your always best to check the regs, if you post a question like this on here you will get lots of diff answers, some correct some not. I found this when checking the regs to see if I would be limited to 3 rounds in my shotgun for hunting deer, the guy I hunt with looked at me like a retard and said " you can hunt with as many rounds as the shotgun can hold and I should take my plug out" I am not the type that enjoys fines so I keep a copy of the regs in my truck. 45 seconds after grabbing my regs from the truck I had my answer on paper as published by the branch of govn that enforces it. My hunting partner lowered his head and diden't say much.
bearkilr
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https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopcontent.asp?type=Mag Ruling
Read the info under the link and report back with your findings.
Bear, you are right, I have a prohibited device (mag), of which I will drill a hole and pin it. Thanks for bringin that to my attention, as the store I bought it from two years ago told me it was legal, and she teaches the Firearms Course.
As to the Wildlife - when out hunting, either the Wildlife Officer or an RCMP are the ones whom will likely first discover the prohibited mag. I did not state anything about the wildlife regulations. I do know that the prohib device is a criminal code issue if the Wildlife Officer cannot lay the Criminal code charge, the RCMP sure as hell will.
Enjoy the rest of the thread.
As to the Wildlife - when out hunting, either the Wildlife Officer or an RCMP are the ones whom will likely first discover the prohibited mag. I did not state anything about the wildlife regulations. I do know that the prohib device is a criminal code issue if the Wildlife Officer cannot lay the Criminal code charge, the RCMP sure as hell will.
Enjoy the rest of the thread.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
The LAR-15 Pistol mag, which can hold 10 rounds of .223 CAN be legally used in a AR-15. PERIOD. Whether you can hunt with 10 rounds, well that might depend on province, but there is NO debate on the legality of using/owning LAR-15 mags. Its legal.
Sobo4303, get your facts straight before arguing with people about this.
The LAR-15 Pistol mag, which can hold 10 rounds of .223 CAN be legally used in a AR-15. PERIOD. Whether you can hunt with 10 rounds, well that might depend on province, but there is NO debate on the legality of using/owning LAR-15 mags. Its legal.
Sobo4303, get your facts straight before arguing with people about this.
