Hunting deer with 223?

Clemenchick

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I'm curious as to get a general senses as to who uses 223. for deer hunting what ammo or projectile is used . I read multiple articles online as in the states ar15 are used for hunting quite regularly. In ontario as per the hunting regs on page 24 as long as it's centre fire it's leagal for large game. Just wondering how you guys feel about this in the ethics of it ? Personally I would not use 223 but I'm interested to see what the results would be
 
Guys I hunt with have been hunting for 40 plus years....223 was a calibre they used quite frequently with great success. Nothing unethical about it at all. That being said, this involved open spaces. Any hunt in the bush and thick foliage required a larger calibre.
 
I have used 2 bullets.

The 69 gr Sierra MatchKing. My first choice, if the twist will handle it.

I also hunted with a rifle with a 1;14 twist. In it I used the Sierra 60gr HP. This is a flat base bullet and will shoot very accurately if the load is fast enough. Excellent penetration.

Exit holes are fist-sized. Dead is dead and DRT.
 
Winchester makes a factory load in 223 for deer. Check out the Winchester PowerPoint with a 64 grain pill...

And keep in mind that less than perfect shot angles & shot placement, could mean losing the animal...

Cheers
Jay
 
Was on a hunt with a fellow who shot a buck with one. 190 lbs dressed, the bullet cut the heart in two and destroyed the lungs. Still ran for 150 yards.
 
Big game hunting - permitted weapons

Here in Nova Scotia. You must use a .23 calibre or great for big game. So .223 is out. Who knows why.

4 (1) Subject to the Act and regulations and to subsection (5), any person may possess and use any of the following weapons and ammunition in a wildlife habitat when hunting under a licence to hunt big game, other than a licence to hunt deer under a deer hunting stamp (archery and muzzleloader), during the open season for the big game:



(a) a rifle and ammunition of .23 calibre or greater;
 
Here in Nova Scotia. You must use a .23 calibre or great for big game. So .223 is out. Who knows why.

Because NS specializes in stupid, byzantine, outdated, confusing and pointless hunting regulations. Coming from On, it frankly seems insane. I counted six separate steps required upon filling my antlerless tag. Six. Sweet baby jesus.

+1 for 69 or 77 SMKs. Pushing a 77 SMK at 3000 fps is closing in on .243 territory.
 
I'm surprised the #### storm hasn't started yet.

Bullets matter more than headstamps, choose appropriate bullets and they are very effective. I've personally used or seen used on deer and black bears the 45 tsx, 50 tsx, 53 tsx, 50 gmx, 55 psp, 62 ttsx, 64 fusion, 75hpbt, and 75 Amax. (Plus a few others...) Closest shots from 12 yards, furthest was with a 75 Amax, and that was 319 yards. Both shoulders broken, straight down. The 12 yard shot was also a 75 Amax, square facing presentation, and it looked like red paint had been sloshed on the ground. I didn't dig that one out as it made it into the paunch somewhere and it was -30C. That buck "ran" (stumbled) about 8 steps and fell.

The mono's are pretty effective, and dig deep. So does the 75 Amax. Between the kids and gf last fall, there were deer shot at exactly the same distance and presentation, and the 50gmx dug deeper and penetrated straighter than a 139 SST from a 7/08. All deer went similar distances after the shot - less than 30 yards.

With a mono or the 75 Amax, I have zero compunctions about punching shoulders on big bodied deer.
 
I am not favour of using a .223 on deer... I am not saying it can't be done, even done efficiently, but there is little reason not to use a larger cartridge.
 
I am not favour of using a .223 on deer... I am not saying it can't be done, even done efficiently, but there is little reason not to use a larger cartridge.

There is little reason to bowhunt either, but people do it. Everyone who does something, anything, has some reason or motivation to do that thing.
Your statement seems to fall into the "I don't like it, so you shouldn't do it" category, in my opinion.
Pretty simple way to manage it though. You aren't in favour of using a .22 centerfire on deer, so don't. There, isn't that simple? You don't like it, and you don't have to.


I will say though, that years and years ago I was of the exact same opinion. To the point, that when I saw a rather prolific poster here talk about shooting a larger bodied muley on a long since gone forum, I went off about how un-ethical it was, etc....

And then that fall watched my grandfather stack up a couple of running whitetails with two shots and a .222. Dearest old pappy at that time was a gun nut like no other I knew, and had a lot of rifles. A lot. And he used an old BSA .222 with a fixed Weaver 10x by choice, as it had almost zero recoil, and was quieter and he liked that rifle. That was all the reason he needed. He liked it, and he could.

After that, it changed my thinking abit. And I did some research, and some testing, and now the .22 centerfires are some of my favorite deer cartridges. Efficient, handy, and effective. What more does a person need?
 
There is little reason to bowhunt either, but people do it. Everyone who does something, anything, has some reason or motivation to do that thing.
Your statement seems to fall into the "I don't like it, so you shouldn't do it" category, in my opinion.
Pretty simple way to manage it though. You aren't in favour of using a .22 centerfire on deer, so don't. There, isn't that simple? You don't like it, and you don't have to.


I will say though, that years and years ago I was of the exact same opinion. To the point, that when I saw a rather prolific poster here talk about shooting a larger bodied muley on a long since gone forum, I went off about how un-ethical it was, etc....

And then that fall watched my grandfather stack up a couple of running whitetails with two shots and a .222. Dearest old pappy at that time was a gun nut like no other I knew, and had a lot of rifles. A lot. And he used an old BSA .222 with a fixed Weaver 10x by choice, as it had almost zero recoil, and was quieter and he liked that rifle. That was all the reason he needed. He liked it, and he could.

After that, it changed my thinking abit. And I did some research, and some testing, and now the .22 centerfires are some of my favorite deer cartridges. Efficient, handy, and effective. What more does a person need?

I have bowhunted for 40 years and have taken hundreds of game animals... so I fully understand adopting limitations in game harvesting tools, but that is a "range" limitation not a "power" or "capacity" limitation... As for archery... archery gear is more akin to a .30/06 with 180's than it is to .223's with 60's... just at shorter range.

Really, I dont much care what anyone uses, as long as it is legal, but the OP is asking for opinions... mine is that the .223 is too light for deer... sure it can be done, but why? Particularly if there are better options available... if there are no other options, then knock yourself out.
 
I have bowhunted for 40 years and have taken hundreds of game animals... so I fully understand adopting limitations in game harvesting tools, but that is a "range" limitation not a "power" or "capacity" limitation... As for archery... archery gear is more akin to a .30/06 with 180's than it is to .223's with 60's... just at shorter range.

Really, I dont much care what anyone uses, as long as it is legal, but the OP is asking for opinions... mine is that the .223 is too light for deer... sure it can be done, but why? Particularly if there are better options available... if there are no other options, then knock yourself out.

Personally I've only bowhunted for 30 years as of this fall, and I've probably only spilled enough blood to fill an Olympic size pool, but I don't take that as a reason to not fully explore and try something that anecdotal evidence points to being completely effective. I would surmise that hundreds of thousands of deer and hogs in the US are killed each fall with 22 centerfires. Something like 39 states allow the use of 22 centerfires.

I would personally quantify something as being effective as a killing tool, is if it can reliably reach vital organs with enough energy to disrupt same, from the angle that is presented. And then use it within its parameters.

I dunno though Hoyt, you are a died in the wool anti 22cf guy, maybe you should stoke up one of those Rugers with something stout and go shoot some water jugs or phone books. Just for the sake of experimentation.
 
Mu bullet of choice would have been a Nosler Partion , but do not see anything with BLC Powder.
I have half heartedly been looking for a Browing A-Bolt II in .223, but havent pulled the trugger when the one or two have passed through the EE .
They dont last that long there....

Practice and shot placement with respect to the animal being pursued are the limitations.
I know of several who shoot Fallow Deer with 218 Bee and 224 Wby on a couple of Gulf Islands near me...well a short Ferry crossing away that is.

Barnes X in 223 is another bucket list bullet to try in .223 with BLC as well.
Rob
 
I used to know a former New Zealand market hunter who uses a .222 for deer there, as he could carry enough shells for a good days hunt. Literally thousands of deer shot.
 
I would surmise that hundreds of thousands of deer and hogs in the US are killed each fall with 22 centerfires. Something like 39 states allow the use of 22 centerfires.

Don't forget though that as you go south, the deer get significantly smaller. Hence the .223 TTH I think it was.

Though if a .223 is capable of killing a 250 pound human, it should sure work fine on a 200 lb deer...
 
I dunno though Hoyt, you are a died in the wool anti 22cf guy, maybe you should stoke up one of those Rugers with something stout and go shoot some water jugs or phone books. Just for the sake of experimentation.

Did you read me saying that I haven't done it?

And no way I am "anti-.22 CF... I have more .22 CF's than all the others put together and put thousands of rounds down range and at game every year... just not at deer or bears... not for a long time.
 
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