Hunting Deer With A .223?

Shot placement is still king, in my opinion bullet selection is second with caliber cartridge being third.

Regardless of what you choose there will be some that will disagree.

Should we be shooting animals with anything that affords an opportunity to miss and make a bad shot? Well then we would not hunt at all.

Let your conscience and your respect for the game guide you. That you were willing to ask the question says to me that you have some concern for ethical hunting.

I respect whichever decision you make

Jody

Perfectly said Jody:)
 
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I'm not saying I recommend it, but my father used to regularly shoot deer on Vancouver Island with his .22 Hornet. All neck shots.

A buddy on nearby Malcolm Island shot boatloads with his .222.
 
223 is fine any type of ammo just make sure you are very close after all far more lethal than an arrow and probably more humane have shot plenty of white tails with 223 and a few bears 1 shot kills , getting close is the secret
 
Actually, I had deleted that comment, and wrote something very different, but it must not have gone through. Anyways, you win, and that's all that matters, to someone like you, right.....;)

As Charlie Sheen says; "Winning... winning"... it's all that matters... or something like that...

Don't get how you could construe my comment as bullying... unless you are the sensitive, shy, retiring sort... if I hurt your feelings I am deeply sorry...
 
223 is fine any type of ammo just make sure you are very close after all far more lethal than an arrow and probably more humane have shot plenty of white tails with 223 and a few bears 1 shot kills , getting close is the secret

If you think that a .223 bullet is "far more lethal than an arrow" you don't have a clue how an arrow works...
 
If you think that a .223 bullet is "far more lethal than an arrow" you don't have a clue how an arrow works...

An arrow isn't magical (unless one is from the Bronze Age), it's just a long distance stabbing device. ;)

Btw I was an archery nut before becoming a gunnut. ;)
 
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Having this year used a 22-250AI to push a 45gr TSX through 2.5ft of blue clay, I'm certain a deer wouldn't be much at any reasonable angle. This .223 is 60% of that, so reduce your limitations by 40%.....
Let the doers do and haters hate.
Heck, some folks engaged in this thread are so experienced the term "cup and core" totally fubar'd there cognative ability after they had told the world they are an expert for the last few years.
People that still believe that cartridge size will make up for poor or "marginal" shot placement need to start wearing their seatbelt or helmet in stop and go traffic. Your neck aint stiff enough for your thick skull.
 
Somewhere earlier in this thread we pretty much agreed that the proper bullet selection is key with the 223.

Please finish the story...
And what bullets were you using?

Was there more to the story to finish? 55gr wait for it........cup and core! Factory loads. Twas a time before premium type boolits. I believe I used to load speer 52 or 53 gr match hollow points for groundhogs, think they were speer or sierra that was back in high school. The 250 deer hunting was done in the south of the U S of A.

Think I'll keep whipping the dead horse, with today's bullets and shot placement, fill your boots. For me I'll stick to a larger caliber and it ain't because you can supposedly shoot them anywhere and they will die :) one last thing about an arrow......seriously!?!? I've zipped a zwickey thru a lot of deer that jump and stand there for a few seconds and just tip over, I smell a wee troll from the guy who posted about it being cruel or the sort.
 
What bullet? Winchester bulk bag 50 grain. Not pushing them very fast, either.

Delicious, delicious mule deer doe! :)

She didn't have internet, so she didn't 'know'.

Cheers
Trev
 
They both have pros and cons. For the 223 crowd, the arrow people are talking about things like this:

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For the arrow crowd, yes some arrowheads have absolutely brutal effects on open flesh, there is no denying the limitation, predominantly range.

The appreciation of pulling both off successfully is great, though. Hitting something with a rifle from long range, or (as I have heard and can understand) the experience of a close-up hunt with an arrow.
 
It's been many years since I poked a deer with a longbow, but I'm gettin' a hankerin' to take it up again because of all the bastards hanging out in my neighborhood. Nothin' like meat in the back yard.;)

For now though, I'll have some fun in the backwoods with my latest deer rifle.

Savage 10 Precision Carbine in .223... of course.:)
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Arrows are very lethal but they have some serious limitations with regards to range, shot placement and bone breaking abilities.

Range obviously it's a different type of hunting. Shot placement? You should be aiming for the boiler room using gun or bow. Bone breaking capabilities???? Google rib cage of a water buffalo, you will find a fortress of bone as thick as 2x4 lumber. Now this is what my bow did.

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Broke through the center of a rib and stuck out the other side of the animal. Ohh and ps, the broadhead opened up to 2" wide. Not to many animals survive after 2" of steel cut through the boiler room.
 
When I speak of bone, I'm talking about deer skulls, vertebrae and shoulders. No bow hunter I know targets any bones but ribs. Shoulder bone structure is much more complex than rib bones, even the overlapping and sturdy ribs of some bovines. I have killed animals with arrows and know what they are capable of. They are very lethal in thier parameters, but a deer 150 yards away with a 223 and TSX bullets and a shoulder shot presents itself, it's a dead deer. Not so with even the best archery gear.
 
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