Hunting Grizzly with the 45-70

I have only seen one 1000 lbs grizzly that hung around the bear glacier wen I was in my mid 20s
Wen you come face-to-face with a big grizzly it is sumthing you never forget ran into the big guy well paying with a gold pan in a creek he was less then 30 yards away
 
there was a time when 1000 lb Grizzly's were documented in Alberta. They were probably the last of the Prairie Grizzly's. Writer Andy Russell once shot a 700 lb Black Bear on his ranch north of Waterton Park.
 
carverk said:
I have only seen one 1000 lbs grizzly that hung around the bear glacier wen I was in my mid 20s
Wen you come face-to-face with a big grizzly it is sumthing you never forget ran into the big guy well paying with a gold pan in a creek he was less then 30 yards away
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What a terrible grammar
Does your keyboard miss most of the parts?
 
the more they sleep the less they grow ...

on average 130 kgs for a female 290 lbs and 220kgs or 480 lbs will it be in mountains BC or Yukon ... coastal one are more close to peninsula or kodiak island ones ... but still 500 kgs or 1100 lbs is a lot of bear ...
 
Ardent said:
Exact same species, coastal bears are just twice as heavy, more food, less travel. Inland bears are more like a giant wolverine, and coastals a giant wild boar. Just like moose, a Shiras from the lower 48 and an Alaska-Yukon are the same species.
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True for grizzly/brown bear, but not quite the same for moose. There are quite a few different subspecies.
 
Phil there are a few subspecies around the world for moose at least A. a. gigas and A. a. andersoni out west here...


Pretty sure that moose can interbreed and make viable offspring
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Hence sub-species and not species. But yes, you are right about lumpers and splitters...
 
medvedqc said:
alces alces

ursus arctos

what is different after that?
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Subspecies. Most agree that with grizzly bears, differences are pretty much solely based on available food sources and climate. That's not the case with moose, of which there are many different subspecies and sizes.
Of course they're the same species by taxonomic definition, that goes without saying.
 
in southern Yukon we had two sub-species of moose but not for the record book. sometimes the sub-species has been made for record purpose ... if you can tell the differences i want to hear ...

the one ursus arctos that is different in N america on DNA work side is not even the Kodiak but the one on Afgonak .... all the others one are sharing a lot in common ....
 
medvedqc said:
in southern Yukon we had two sub-species of moose but not for the record book. sometimes the sub-species has been made for record purpose ... if you can tell the differences i want to hear ...
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There's a definite difference between moose found in Sweden, Saskatchewan and Alaska, even though they're the same species and the large AK/Yukon ones don't have the better food sources, as is the case with grizzly. You can try to apply Bergmann's Rule, but it has it's flaws.
 
bearkilr said:
There's a definite difference between moose found in Sweden, Saskatchewan and Alaska, even though they're the same species and the large AK/Yukon ones don't have the better food sources, as is the case with grizzly. You can try to apply Bergmann's Rule, but it has it's flaws.
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According to Geist the A-Y Moose does have a better food source; fast growing, highly palatable, mineral rich vegetation.
 
Regional differences between critters of similar species is good to know before planning a hunt. The best part though is the 45-70 is well up to the task for the hunter experienced in its' range of limitations for given loads & distances.;)
 
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