Hunting is neccesary...

[BIGREDD]

Here are some interesting facts that we should be aware of...

From 1994 to 2003, human fatalities from animal/vehicle collisions rose from 253 to 367 annually. Compared to the 297 fatalities in 2002, that’s an almost 24 percent increase. Comparing 1994 to 2003, the increase is 145 percent.
The next time a tree hugger puts you down for hunting... quote this and ask him if a human life has less value than a deer :wink:

According to a March 2003 Transport Canada report, between four and eight large animal-vehicle collisions take place every hour in Canada and these types of accidents are on the rise. The same report states that “motor vehicles may be the number one predator for deer and other wildlife. If it is the case, the number of animal-vehicle collisions can only go up."
There is your proof that hunting does not impact animal populations as much as driving your car :shock:

The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration estimates that highway crashes cost society $230.6 billion a year, about $820 per person.
What I can't figure out is... WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR LICENSES :?:
The damn insurance companys should be paying us to hunt deer and other big game :roll:

For the complete report check out this link :idea:
http://www.icoet.net/ICOET_2005/05factsfigs.asp

 

[Steeleco]

I like you line of thinking, but then your talking about insurance companies, the next biggest legal thief is the government.

 

[BIGREDD]

I think there is a real need for hunters and the government and big business should be aware of the benificial aspects of our sport :idea:

 

[Foxer]

I think there is a real need for hunters and the government and big business should be aware of the benificial aspects of our sport

I agree with your sentiment. The challenge of course is that once they begin to get that message, they think of ways to exploit it for even more dollars. More 'leh only', higher fees, more tags to the outfitters and guides and the like.

It's a thin line at the best of times. But yeah - you'd think we'd get a little more recognition.

 

[Terrence]

If you read through all the (exhausting) stats, it really doesn't support hunting, perse, overall, although we should read it that way, at least in Canada. Many of the stats in this report are somewhat convoluted in that they're not specific to origin.
Then there are just stupid things, like this:
"A four-lane, divided highway is just as effective a barrier to the dispersal of small mammals as a body of water twice as wide."I snorted beer out of my nose on that one (it still tingles). Does "dispersal" mean being run over? I call bull####. Anybody ever drive through New Brunswick on the divided sections of the Trans-Canada at night? Stay in the passing lane if you can...
Methinks this Conference was just a forum to justify a bunch of careers for mindless Liberals who really have no idea what is going on out here in the real world. How many experienced hunters, guides, etc. were there? None?... Exactly...
Sorry, BR, I just found reading through that was very frustrating, but I'm with you 100% on your views. But, like Foxer says, we just get looked at as another grab, instead of a solution.
Terry

 

[1899]

What is the annual distance travelled per collision?

 

[Gibbs505]

I think there is a real need for hunters and the government and big business should be aware of the benificial aspects of our sport :idea:

Good luck at convincing them of that! :roll:

 

[rudar]

Then there are just stupid things, like this:
"A four-lane, divided highway is just as effective a barrier to the dispersal of small mammals as a body of water twice as wide."I snorted beer out of my nose on that one (it still tingles). Does "dispersal" mean being run over? I call bull####. Anybody ever drive through New Brunswick on the divided sections of the Trans-Canada at night? Stay in the passing lane if you can...

Not sure what's stupid about this. ``Dispersal'' is biologist jargon for getting from one place to another. So if you've got a bunch of small mammals in this field over here, the four-lane highway makes it harder for them to mosey on over to that field over there (whether that's because they avoid the road, or because they get schmucked by cars on the way isn't specified. If you're saying that the roads out thataway are littered with roadkill, then it's probably the latter...) And the amount harder it makes it is similar to how much harder it would be for them to swim across a river twice as wide as the highway.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

From 1994 to 2003, human fatalities from animal/vehicle collisions rose from 253 to 367 annually. Compared to the 297 fatalities in 2002, that’s an almost 24 percent increase. Comparing 1994 to 2003, the increase is 145 percent.
The next time a tree hugger puts you down for hunting... quote this and ask him if a human life has less value than a deer Wink

I thinkl PETA has already made it clear, that yes they do think animal life has more value than human life. :shock:

 

[John Y Cannuck]

I have personally hit two deer in the past year. They can bound out of a ditch and into the side of your car at a speed that has to be seen to be believed. Thankfully, all my collisions have been glancing blows with the side of my vehicle, and the Jeep at least suffered no damage.

 

[BIGREDD]

Thankfully, all my collisions have been glancing blows with the side of my vehicle, and the Jeep at least suffered no damage

I think you should take them stupid iron sights off the hood J/C... you would have much better luck with a clear bug deflector with crosshairs... optics 8)

 

[woodchopper]

Then there are just stupid things, like this:
"A four-lane, divided highway is just as effective a barrier to the dispersal of small mammals as a body of water twice as wide."I snorted beer out of my nose on that one (it still tingles). Does "dispersal" mean being run over? I call bull####. Anybody ever drive through New Brunswick on the divided sections of the Trans-Canada at night? Stay in the passing lane if you can...

Not sure what's stupid about this. ``Dispersal'' is biologist jargon for getting from one place to another. So if you've got a bunch of small mammals in this field over here, the four-lane highway makes it harder for them to mosey on over to that field over there (whether that's because they avoid the road, or because they get schmucked by cars on the way isn't specified. If you're saying that the roads out thataway are littered with roadkill, then it's probably the latter...) And the amount harder it makes it is similar to how much harder it would be for them to swim across a river twice as wide as the highway.

Wildlife Biologist will also use terms like fragmented populations, mostly die to non natural barriers (roads etc...)

 

[Gibbs505]

Thankfully, all my collisions have been glancing blows with the side of my vehicle, and the Jeep at least suffered no damage

I think you should take them stupid iron sights off the hood J/C... you would have much better luck with a clear bug deflector with crosshairs... optics 8)

Need a mercedes!

 

[BIGREDD]

I watched some flake go by my house yesterday at dusk at excessive speed in a Honda Civic... he had a kid in a car seat up front with him :roll:

 

[RR]

Anybody remember the PETA story where they had an accident with a deer and wrecked their car.They then promptly sued whichever state it was because they weren't controlling the deer population.
Rich

 

[BIGREDD]

Your right on RR ...what a buch of Hypocrites... heres the story :shock:

http://hoystory.########.com/2002/03/this-story-from-washington-times.html

 

[walksalot]

I think there is a real need for hunters and the government and big business should be aware of the benificial aspects of our sport :idea:

Don't kid youself, they do but the government is kiss assing for votes and they are going to lean toward which ever sector can supply the most, and it is not hunters, we are in the minority.
How did you spring bear hunt get cancelled, by the antis? Not by a long shot , it got cancelled because one man with more money than he knew what to do with threw it behing the antis to organize an ad campaign and lobby the government. :wink: :idea:

 

[eltorro]

the people forgetting their roots.
the mob that doesn't care about their soldiers.
quasi-non-tangent to any kind of large scale conflict society.

lack of proper education. (excessive tolerance and government institution dependency)

just few of the reasons people make coments about fishing as a inhumane sport while eating a tuna sandwich.

they buy chicken by the cart , yet they frawn upon butchering your own - "that's inhumane""""" - so it is plucking them alive- you reply. "" but I don't see that'''

PETA - different altogether.

while at work, one of the colleagues spotted a wabbit in the back yard and proceeded to throw various stones/or whatever he found to hit the rabbit.
the guy couldn't throw worth of..... so the animal was more than safe. didn't even bother to move.

another one - the PETA guy - started making all kinds of noises, hopping around like a maniac in a futile tentative to chase away the bunny.
the animal took off finally, leaving us with a hot debate regarding animal life and ... well hunting.

short story - after a while the animal lover tells me that he wished he had a rifle to kill anyone trying to end the rabbits life.\
so -says I - if I was to kill the rabbit, would you shoot me?
Yes - was the answer.

might be a hot headed comment but it was quick for everyone to notice that the guy was a maniac. Otherwise a good guy, it was somebody else talking, not him.
The whole cartoon thing, the zoos and media invasion made a whole generation of incapables.

sooo sad.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

I'll add one more item to the list. Gun violence and gangs.
These crimes are in part due to a loss of family interaction. The kind many of us experience hunting and fishing, every year, or did so as kids. Later in life, it was the comradery of friends. Hunting is a passion, it can consume large quantities of time (money :roll: ) and thought. Time and money NOT spent wandering the streets in search of trouble.

 

[Gibbs505]

I'll add one more item to the list. Gun violence and gangs.
These crimes are in part due to a loss of family interaction.

Very true! :!: :!: