the spank
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Damned right!!
Hunting Permission: Let’s talk Price
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Damned right!!
Trimmer 905
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In Ontario,land owners are free to charge whatever they want. Most of southern Ontario is private property with small sections of Crown land usually landlocked and as such,inaccessable. . "No trespassing" signs are everywhere. Fortunately,that only applies to the lower 1/3 of the province. Personally,I doubt that some landowners charging for access will make much difference to hunters. For those that choose not to pay to hunt,there's still millions of acres of crown to spend weekends and/or weeks for hunting all types of game from Grouse to migratory birds to big game.
I havn't had to resort to paying to hunt yet, and doubt that I would unless the area offered extremely good hunting prospects. And the fact that depending were your WMU is you may not get a tag, for moose nowadays tags are getting very hard to get.
I'm sure that would be the final straw for a lot of fellas, just going moose hunting on crown land usually costs me close to a $1000.00 for the week by the time I factor all the expenses in. Not getting drawn for years at a time makes for some very expensive meat.
I'm sure that would be the final straw for a lot of fellas, just going moose hunting on crown land usually costs me close to a $1000.00 for the week by the time I factor all the expenses in. Not getting drawn for years at a time makes for some very expensive meat.
So for all the guys that don’t want to compensate a private landowner for services rendered...do you think you should have to even pay for a tag? After all wildlife is public, no? And as long as there’s public land there always will be wildlife right? So why not just take what you can while you can and start worry about hunting opportunities and quality hunts when all big game hunting is draw only or pay to play high fence preserves and $2000 deer, $3500 elk to start.
Then you can feel good that you have the same chance at drawing a tag as the big landowner that spent huge cash buying land and paying yearly taxes to guarantee some place for wildlife to live and reproduce as both land owners and non land owners alike will have the same chance at a limited number of opportunities despite the varying levels of investment in the activity.
Seems to me that a market system that incorporates willing buyers and sellers could benefit both non land owners and owners of land alike. And more so for the lower income side as they will actually have less pressure on public lands as private lands become strongholds for quality hunting that generates strong revenue for land owners who might decide to let the game stay instead of employing the plow or draining the beaver ponds. Over time quantity and quality of habitat and of animals on private land expands their range as the properties see increasing big game numbers and this would actually lower prices to hunt as the demand of hunters is constant but supply of animals increases.
And of course if you can hunt on private land for free because your buddy or your auntie owns a few hundred acres then even better. So really you now see how everyone is in a better position.
Then you can feel good that you have the same chance at drawing a tag as the big landowner that spent huge cash buying land and paying yearly taxes to guarantee some place for wildlife to live and reproduce as both land owners and non land owners alike will have the same chance at a limited number of opportunities despite the varying levels of investment in the activity.
Seems to me that a market system that incorporates willing buyers and sellers could benefit both non land owners and owners of land alike. And more so for the lower income side as they will actually have less pressure on public lands as private lands become strongholds for quality hunting that generates strong revenue for land owners who might decide to let the game stay instead of employing the plow or draining the beaver ponds. Over time quantity and quality of habitat and of animals on private land expands their range as the properties see increasing big game numbers and this would actually lower prices to hunt as the demand of hunters is constant but supply of animals increases.
And of course if you can hunt on private land for free because your buddy or your auntie owns a few hundred acres then even better. So really you now see how everyone is in a better position.
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I don’t know of anyone that’s been turned away before Nov 1st, you just have to let the managers know where you’ll be hunting. After the first it’s wide open. I’ve done a lot of archery and muzzleloader hunting in these pastures.
The long term leases are locked in. It won’t be in my lifetime that FSIN gets control of these pastures. With some of the semi-crazy cowboys in this area, they wouldn’t want it anyways.
For now. The change in the trespassing law just might open the door to more land owners lobbying government to allow pay for access.
It makes sense if we are going to treat the land as any other private property.
Landowners already have the right to charge other farmers for access for farming, why should hunting be exempt?
We could’ve done that without any changes to the trespass act if we wanted to.
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That makes some sense land owners should be allowed to charge for access I believe
the spank
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I can’t believe you’re still here trying to entertain your pay more to play agenda on everyone else. Do you feel the rest of the hunting society owes you because you hunt on daddy’s land and try to make it sound like your quarter section is somehow giving all the big game species in SK a place to live, prosper and seed the rest of SK from? Last year you were trying to sell us all on buying hunting opportunity time shares from you by financing your high fence ventures. If you can’t afford to pay your land taxes and/or projects you want to complete stop coming on here and trying to plead your case to charge to hunt your “quarter section private preserve”.
nomad 68
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Yep, that's him.......unfortunately.
nomad 68
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Well said and isn't promotion of an illegal practice grounds for the pink treatment?
Sure we could have.
I think we have a better argument now that the government is willing to recognize private property rights and make the law changes some asked for.
Yep I should get payed to clean up the road kill beside my cattle yard because its causing a coyote problem, magpies eating cat food,and the noise of the hacking and squacking. ha ha ha maybe I should move to the city and listen to the semi, and loud cars instead.
Do you think landowners owe you free use of their property?
the spank
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Where do you see that in my statement? No I do not but I sure as hell am not paying for the privilidge either. This year was a good example of what could potentially do a landowner more harm than good with swath laying on the ground for over a month creating a smorgasbord for waterfowl. The farmers I contacted this year were literally pleading us to get the birds off their swath. My being allowed to hunt free was providing them a free service at moving birds off the crops. Imagine if we had to pay in a year like this? Not likely and the up and down cycles of good harvest weather years and poor weather service years offsets itself even if money was to change hands because in a year of need I’d damned well be charging for my services if I have to pay for access in the non-need years!!
With paid access an American would have no problem paying $500-1000 a day to shoot those birds. Farmer gets his pockets lined, collects insurance and rich americans can shoot some geese.
