Hunting question

[45ACPKING]

some old timers showed me an area 20 years ago that has rewarded me every year. The only stipulation was that I not ever take anyone else in there. It was crown land but spots like that aren't shared too often. I respected that arrangement until the last of those old timers stopped showing up to hunt camp. We all showed up the same week, didn't keep in touch throughout the year and didn't keep current phone numbers.....
after 3 years of sitting in hunt camp alone with no one to share the camp fire with, I finally brought my best friend in there 3 years ago. It's not surprising that it has now become his favorite deer hunting spot too
Now we make the "rules" so we will choose who we share the spot with and pass it on too in a few years when we are too old and busted up to make those hikes ourselves.

 

[Bigbubba]

How did I misrepresent the situation? I told the story but did not say who I was in the scenario in order to get an unbiased opinion. I guess you can't be too honest these days or guys will get suspicious.

You misrepresent it by implying it’s your cottage and it’s your brother that wants to bow hunt.
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You could have worded it unambiguously...
My brother bought a cottage
We got invited to hunt with the locals
I want to bow hunt there, my brother won’t let me use the cottage...

 

[Mayday_]

- If the land is that is big as i asked above, can you just to opposite end where you guys never hunt ? (you aren't required to, but its a good friendly compromise)

I would love to discuss it, work something out and compromise with them but my brother isn't willing to. He just straight up said "no you're not hunting back there" Nothing was mentioned to the other hunters.

 

[.22LRGUY]

I didn't even ask to use his cottage. It didn't even get that far. He straight up says I can't hunt back there lol (crown land)
Yet I'm the selfish bow hunter

Been there, done that! Your relationship with your brother may be better off if you go your separate ways on the hunting front

Hey Mayday~some solid advice ^ here. If your brother talks to you like that (in the tone you're implying) he does sound like a bit of a douche. Now, I don't know you either so maybe you brought that kind of thing on yourself ...but either way, I think the decision is yours. Hunt there anyway and sour an already sour relationship to a greater degree....or....as 1963beretta suggested, you may be better off just doing your own thing in your own spot. I'd focus on the latter. Burning bridges with family is never a good thing, even if the other party is "in the wrong". If he's set all this up, owns or rented a cottage to do it, and doesn't want you skulking around back there before his rifle hunt~he's obviously prioritizing his hunt over yours. Up to you to decide how you feel about that. Time outdoors is precious to me, and like many...I'm forced to do it on a pretty limited budget. When I can get something together, I'm inclined to feel protective about it if I'm being honest. With that in mind, if I thought anything might undermine my success, I wouldn't be overly receptive to it.

So yeah, he sure can't stop you from being on crown land...and I think it's a bit shi tty that he's telling you to go fly a kite. With that said, I can sympathize with him digging his heels in a bit, at least based on what you're saying.

As for whether or not using archery gear in the same spot ahead of the rifle hunt~a buddy of mine out west is convinced it does, and took up bow hunting again to NOT be at a disadvantage every fall. As he sees it.

 

[Trimmer 905]

Not something I am familiar with at all, having hunted in Saskatchewan mostly, on both Crown and private land. How does a hunting lease work in Ontario? A hunt camp leases a couple quarters or sections of crown land for hunting, or do they lease one or two acres for a campsite?

I think the lease is to be able to build a camp/cottage/building

Ontario's Crown Land Use Permit allows a portable camp to be erected for a short period of time on a lot that's slightly less than one acre of crown land. After the hunt is over,the portables must be removed. Permanent camps are no longer permitted. As older camp "99 year leases" expire,those leases are not being renewed. Camps on those lots must be removed within a very short period of time and the lot must be "rehabbed" to it's original state,the cost of which must be borne by the lease holder(s).

 

[Butcherbill]

I would love to discuss it, work something out and compromise with them but my brother isn't willing to. He just straight up said "no you're not hunting back there" Nothing was mentioned to the other hunters.

I would go straight to the horses mouth and ask the group, your brother has no leg to stand on. Crown land is for everyone to use, is he going to tell every Tom #### or Harry that they can’t bow hunt back there cause he said it’s already taken? If I show up at a spot on crown land and someone is already there I go somewhere else, it’s first come first serve.

 

[cosmic]

Sounds like your brother doesn't want you to use his cottage for your own personal use (bow hunting). He justifies it by saying it will ruin the rifle hunt... I'm guessing he is married, and you are single, which can contribute to the problem....

 

[Dogleg]

Say one brother takes another fishing in his new boat. Water is public right?

Now say brother #2 asks brother #1 to lend him his truck and boat so he can go without him. He says no.

Without knowing the brothers and their history; its hard to say who is being the ####. Could go either way.

 

[ghl1]

I have been hunting behind our cottage for over 35 years. New hunters came into my spots, set up tree stands and cleared 50 yards of bush in certain spots. It is crown land so what can you do. I was hunting one late afternoon and one of these new hunters took a shot really close to me. Safety is a issue as well. If it is crown land tell your brother to pick another area well away from where the group hunts and have him do his own scouting.

 

[Bland]

Deal with a lot of family issues. Never a good thing. Go hunt somewhere else, right or wrong. It simplifies things in the long run.

 

[9.3mauser]

New hunters came into my spots, set up tree stands and cleared 50 yards of bush in certain spots. It is crown land so what can you do.

Report it. It's illegal to cut live trees or make trails without a permit on crown land.

 

[Brian46]

I'm guessing the OP could stop him by saying "no, you can't use my cottage as a hunt camp in archery season because you might damage my relationship with the guys that I want to hunt with in rifle season". You know, those guys that took him under their wing and showed them the travel routes and good places to watch or do pushes? Yeah, its crown land but at a minimum I would be contacting the hunters that helped you out in getting started and just give them a heads up that bro is interested in archery season. You don't have to ask permission just feel them out that there's no hard feelings afterward.

I have hunted the same areas for decades, not once have any of the hunters of these same crown lands asked my opinion before they started hunting the same area as me.

 

[Brian46]

They "took us in" because they're renting the cottage because it's the best access to the forest (you can only get to it by boat) and because guys are getting too old to push the bush so we have to do it....... or maybe out of the goodness of their hearts......maybe

Sounds like your brother is also protecting the income from said hunters who use the land behind the cottage. Maybe he is afraid they won't continue to rent the placed and needs that income so he can afford to keep the place

 

[chappy]

i do think back east hunting is far different than the west coast. any place i hunt crown if someone is in there before me i try a different area. i have a cabin but don't deer aren't only in one spot. grab your bow and try some new areas. you might just find a better place if not at least quieter.