Hunting Rifle Is Missing Its Sight Elevator?

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Where does the responsibility lie, buyer or seller? It’s been like an ear worm since I saw it.

The rifle for sale is described as excellent, beautiful wood and bluing, functions perfectly, a great collection addition.

Photographs support the description but also show that the sight elevator is missing.
There is no overt attempt to mislead or hide the missing elevator but the description does fail to mentioned it.

Where is the responsibility here? Is it on the buyer (buyer beware) to pick up on the missing elevator from the photos or should the seller make it clear in the description? I can’t help wonder if it was deliberately not mentioned on the chance it might not be noticed? Given the seller’s history it’s inconceivable the missing elevator would be an oversight. I’m thinking an experienced or anxious buyer could easily not notice.

Personally I would mention the missing elevator in the description. Given the photos others might not think it necessary.
 
I would agree with your assessment, if it's missing parts that should be noted in the description. I shouldn't have to study photos for such things. I would be pretty upset if I bought a gun and it showed up without the sight elevator if it wasn't mentioned in the ad.

There are a few caveats to that, such as ads that are like "estate sale, don't know much about it, etc etc", but otherwise missing parts should be in the description.
 
FLHTCUI said:
A picture speaks a thousand words....
Take your grievance up with the seller and deal with it via private message as per the site rules........
FLHTCUI
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It's not a grievance. It's an observation that some may think worthy of discussion or have an opinion on. BTW it's not even CGN. Thanks for your insight and guidance though.
 
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O.P. mentions photographs in the plural so I'm assuming there are multiples to view. Without knowing the finer details if the buyer missed it in the provided pictures I would say he's the one who should have to source the new small part. I certainly wouldn't expect the buyer to be happy about it but I'm willing to bet he learns from the mistake.
 
when ever I'm selling something I post pics in my adds so the buyer can see what they are getting, often I'm not sure what something is other then its a Remington 700 or a win94 etc. I don't know if its an aftermarket or factory sight from a different rifle or aftermarket sling swivels or missing a part. if it was something I know about then yes id describe it as best I can but something I got on trade and don't have an interest in, ill add a lot of pics, in this case if the pics are current they speak louder then words(text)

you could message him and say "I noticed the sight elevator wasn't in the pic, is that part missing or do you still have it" and see what he says
 
Totally agree with the OP's question. I see one all the time and it is to me, obviously modified in a form that drops the value about 30%.
And that sucker is priced high... want to mention it, but it's somehow presumptuous?
 
Suther said:
It's not about the cost of the replacement part. It's about the lack of disclosure in the written description.
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Perhaps that is assuming that the seller is fully knowledgeable - and some are, but many are not. I see multiple military guns posted as "all matching", etc. - their pictures clearly show that they do not know what they are talking about - they price their stuff optimistically though - likely hoping to find someone who does not know, either. But the scenario above - would be pretty iffy not to notice that a rear sight elevator is missing - not something I would think to ask about, if picture showed a rear sight on the barrel, but I will going forward, as a result of reading this thread - but is several .22's here that do not have elevators in the rear sight, or at least not the "correct" ones.
 
Potashminer said:
Perhaps that is assuming that the seller is fully knowledgeable - and some are, but many are not. ...
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100% agree - You can't blame people for not knowing what they don't know - Being unaware of their ignorance.

In fact, I'll go as far as saying that the onus is on the buyer to verify the seller's authority/knowledge. It's one thing if they claim that the firearm is complete and that they know what they're talking about. If they say they don't know much about firearms, or if they don't specify, I always assume they're clueless and ask for photos accordingly.

It's exactly like buying a used car. If you choose to go with a private sale versus buying from a dealer, you had better know a bit about used cars.
 
Potashminer said:
Perhaps that is assuming that the seller is fully knowledgeable - and some are, but many are not. I see multiple military guns posted as "all matching", etc. - their pictures clearly show that they do not know what they are talking about - they price their stuff optimistically though - likely hoping to find someone who does not know, either. But the scenario above - would be pretty iffy not to notice that a rear sight elevator is missing - not something I would think to ask about, if picture showed a rear sight on the barrel, but I will going forward, as a result of reading this thread - but is several .22's here that do not have elevators in the rear sight, or at least not the "correct" ones.
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If you don't know much about the gun the ad should say that. It happens all the time - the last guns I bought on the EE came from an estate and the seller hadn't fired them. I see no issue with that as long as the seller is clear about it.
 
Do you really need to note something when you have a picture of it?

People aren’t generally good at admitting they don’t know much about something…
 
Plus all the info you need a PM away. Most guys are happy to take more pictures if you are showing serious interest/ obviously do some trading. If not, probably not worth your time
 
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