Hunting/Shooting, Myths and Misconceptions
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What do you suppose is the explanation for this abberation... cuz there is no way that Moose hearts have a bone in them naturally. Anyone who knows physiology knows muscles do not have bones inside them.bedrock said:
Either your just funnin me... or you need some anatomy lessons.
grouseman said:
You guys almost had me going for a while
Wait!!! you guys don't actually believe they stuff a plug up their arse
Do you
Thanks for the official info BREDD
"states that just before the bear beds down, it usually eats a laxative-type food to clean out its intestines. It then eats a last meal of tough, fibrous roots that form an intestinal plug or tappen that remains in place until spring. The tappen may also be composed of pine needles mixed with hair licked from the bear's coat. The stomach then contracts into a tight, hard knot to prevent any further intake of food, and the bear is ready to sleep.
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- South Cariboo, B.C.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this one after 11 pages,
"You need a cold snap to get the rut started!"
I know what has started this. Hunters over the generation have seen some of the best action on that day they woke up and the thermometer has plummeted. That only means the action heats up during a cold snap.
The fact is they are going to breed no matter what because it's the hours of daylight that trigger the rut. That's why the rut timing is different north to south. What about deer in warm climates? Would they just not bothering breeding in Mexico?
I still have to explain this to wise old hunters every year and they look at me like an idiot punk who thinks he knows everything.
"You need a cold snap to get the rut started!"
I know what has started this. Hunters over the generation have seen some of the best action on that day they woke up and the thermometer has plummeted. That only means the action heats up during a cold snap.
The fact is they are going to breed no matter what because it's the hours of daylight that trigger the rut. That's why the rut timing is different north to south. What about deer in warm climates? Would they just not bothering breeding in Mexico?
I still have to explain this to wise old hunters every year and they look at me like an idiot punk who thinks he knows everything.
senior said:You guys almost had me going for a while
Wait!!! you guys don't actually believe they stuff a plug up their arse
Do you
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What do you mean? Bears do indeed form a plug for thier butt, just like it says on BR's link. they just don't shove it up thier butts. This is probably what your neighbor was referring to.
Gatehouse said:
Ya got it all wrong ... the bear shoves a bunny up there. hence the joke.
A bear is takin a dump in the woods. This rabbit comes along and starts takin a dump accross from him
Bear " hey rabbit do you have a problem with poop stick'n to your hair "
rabbit " no "
bear grabs the rabbit and wipes his butt with him
In humans, there is the potential for calcification to occur in some regions of the body, particularly major vesssels, and lymph nodes. These calcifications are often seen on x-rays of the chest and/or abdomen. This calcification process is a degenerative process and could not be called 'bone formation'. It is also a phenomenon found mostly in older persons, and I'd doubt that these ungulates would be old enough for this, but who knows??bedrock said:
Also, calcific structures can form in some hollow organs. These are most commonly referred to as "stones" and not "bones". The obvious ones are those found in kidneys and gall bladders. Sometimes clots (thromboses) will calcify. These clots are not uncommonly associated with heart valve disease or damage. I suspect it is one of these calcified thromboses, attached to an atrial valve of the heart, which might be found in the ventricle below the atrial valve, that are mistaken for "heart bones", since there really are no bones in any mammal's heart..
Jeez nair - do you think even in a moose's heart it could possibly form large enough for someone to find and actually think of as a 'bone'? (you'd probably know better than me, but having seen kidney stones, i have to think there's little chance it'd be big enough to even notice unless you were really looking for it).
Seems MORE likely that somehow a bullet wound up punching thru bone on the way in and left some in or near the heart somehow. But even that seems far-fetched.
Seems MORE likely that somehow a bullet wound up punching thru bone on the way in and left some in or near the heart somehow. But even that seems far-fetched.
The freezer method is no guarantee. The fact is, chances are a deep cold freeze spanning months will do the job. But - the only way to be SURE is to cook it, and that means getting the internal temperature to a minimum of about 165 degrees for several minutes. However - to make sure you're not just in a 'warm spot' (or that your thermometer isn't off) it's worth going to 170, which is a nice medium, or a few degrees more if you like it more well done.
Trich is a parasite - and obviously the less of it in the meat, the less you'll have symptoms if you do ingest some. So by all means freeze it as cold as you can for as long as you can because IF it's present, that'll reduce your risk. But - only cooking will guarantee it.
Trich is not that common in bears, especially wild bears that haven't been around dumps or been eating carrion. And many people who get trich are asympomatic. But - it is always better to be SURE. Cook the meat evenly and you won't have a problem.
Same guy told me both of these.
Your 30/06 is too small for moose, what you need is a cannon like mine (he had a 7mm rem mag) it'll knock a moose flat at 300 yards.
If you shoot a railroad track with your 30/06 the bullet will bounce off, my 7mm will go right through it.
I might add I didn't bother ask him why he would want to shoot a railroad track.
A mule deer is so stupid that if it is running away from you, just whislte, they will always stop to see what caused the noise
Your 30/06 is too small for moose, what you need is a cannon like mine (he had a 7mm rem mag) it'll knock a moose flat at 300 yards.
If you shoot a railroad track with your 30/06 the bullet will bounce off, my 7mm will go right through it.
I might add I didn't bother ask him why he would want to shoot a railroad track.
A mule deer is so stupid that if it is running away from you, just whislte, they will always stop to see what caused the noise
Taken from NY state health department
Trichinosis
"Trichinosis" is also available in Portable Document Format (PDF, 59KB, 1pg.)
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What is trichinosis?
Trichinosis is a food-borne disease caused by a microscopic parasite.
Who gets trichinosis?
Anyone who eats undercooked meat of infected animals can develop trichinosis. Pork products are implicated more often than other meats.
How is trichinosis spread?
Animals such as pigs, dogs, cats, rats and many wild animals (including fox, wolf and polar bear) may harbor the parasite. When humans eat infected pork that has been improperly cooked, they become infected. Improperly cooked wild animal meat may also be responsible for infecting humans. person to person spread does not occur.
What are the symptoms of trichinosis?
The symptoms usually start with fever, muscle soreness, pain and swelling around the eyes. Thirst, profuse sweating, chills, weakness and tiredness may develop. Chest pain may be experienced since the parasite may become imbedded in the diaphragm (the thin muscle separating the lungs from abdominal organs).
How soon after infection do symptoms appear?
The incubation period varies depending upon the number of parasites in the meat and the amount eaten. It can range from five to 45 days but is usually 10 to 14 days.
Does past infection with trichinosis make a person immune?
Partial immunity may develop from infection.
What is the treatment for trichinosis?
A drug called mebendazole is used in treatment.
What can be the effect of not being treated for trichinosis?
Failure to treat could be fatal.
What can be done to prevent the spread of trichinosis?
The best prevention is to make sure that pork products are properly cooked. The desirable temperature is at least 150 degrees Fahrenheit. Storing infected meat in a freezer with a temperature no higher than -13 degrees Fahrenheit for 10 days will also destroy the parasite.
Trichinosis
"Trichinosis" is also available in Portable Document Format (PDF, 59KB, 1pg.)
Versión en español
What is trichinosis?
Trichinosis is a food-borne disease caused by a microscopic parasite.
Who gets trichinosis?
Anyone who eats undercooked meat of infected animals can develop trichinosis. Pork products are implicated more often than other meats.
How is trichinosis spread?
Animals such as pigs, dogs, cats, rats and many wild animals (including fox, wolf and polar bear) may harbor the parasite. When humans eat infected pork that has been improperly cooked, they become infected. Improperly cooked wild animal meat may also be responsible for infecting humans. person to person spread does not occur.
What are the symptoms of trichinosis?
The symptoms usually start with fever, muscle soreness, pain and swelling around the eyes. Thirst, profuse sweating, chills, weakness and tiredness may develop. Chest pain may be experienced since the parasite may become imbedded in the diaphragm (the thin muscle separating the lungs from abdominal organs).
How soon after infection do symptoms appear?
The incubation period varies depending upon the number of parasites in the meat and the amount eaten. It can range from five to 45 days but is usually 10 to 14 days.
Does past infection with trichinosis make a person immune?
Partial immunity may develop from infection.
What is the treatment for trichinosis?
A drug called mebendazole is used in treatment.
What can be the effect of not being treated for trichinosis?
Failure to treat could be fatal.
What can be done to prevent the spread of trichinosis?
The best prevention is to make sure that pork products are properly cooked. The desirable temperature is at least 150 degrees Fahrenheit. Storing infected meat in a freezer with a temperature no higher than -13 degrees Fahrenheit for 10 days will also destroy the parasite.
And taken from the center for disease control in the USA
How can I prevent trichinellosis?
Cook meat products until the juices run clear or to an internal temperature of 170 o F.
Freeze pork less than 6 inches thick for 20 days at 5 o F to kill any worms.
Cook wild game meat thoroughly. Freezing wild game meats, unlike freezing pork products, even for long periods of time, may not effectively kill all worms.
Cook all meat fed to pigs or other wild animals.
Do not allow hogs to eat uncooked carcasses of other animals, including rats, which may be infected with trichinellosis.
Clean meat grinders thoroughly if you prepare your own ground meats.
Curing (salting), drying, smoking, or microwaving meat does not consistently kill infective worms.
How can I prevent trichinellosis?
Cook meat products until the juices run clear or to an internal temperature of 170 o F.
Freeze pork less than 6 inches thick for 20 days at 5 o F to kill any worms.
Cook wild game meat thoroughly. Freezing wild game meats, unlike freezing pork products, even for long periods of time, may not effectively kill all worms.
Cook all meat fed to pigs or other wild animals.
Do not allow hogs to eat uncooked carcasses of other animals, including rats, which may be infected with trichinellosis.
Clean meat grinders thoroughly if you prepare your own ground meats.
Curing (salting), drying, smoking, or microwaving meat does not consistently kill infective worms.
Remember - 'domestic' trich, like that which used to be found in pigs, is different than the 'wild' variant. The freezing isn't as effective. (which is what you get for asking 'new york' about problems with bears )
You'll see all kinds of temperature variants from 165 - 175 or more, usually depending on how much 'margin of error' they've put in to help guarantee that you're not trying to cut it too close.
) You'll see all kinds of temperature variants from 165 - 175 or more, usually depending on how much 'margin of error' they've put in to help guarantee that you're not trying to cut it too close.
Just read another one on another thread.... "Short Mags develop much higher chamber pressure than belted mags".
This is a huge misconception by many people, nowadays pressure is measured using PSI instead of CUP... and they are not the same thing.
This is a huge misconception by many people, nowadays pressure is measured using PSI instead of CUP... and they are not the same thing.
Here is my exacte quote from pg 3..
"Whatever you do don't call my neighbourgh on the FACT that bears make a plug & stuff it up there ass before they go into hibernation! He's said he knows it for a fact because he's seen bears shot out of their den with it stuffed right in there "
Gatehouse wrote."If a bear was shot in it's den, or just out of it, it would indeed have the plug installed, so your neighbor isn't telling tales..."
Grouseman wrote "yup, the bear plug is true....."
"Whatever you do don't call my neighbourgh on the FACT that bears make a plug & stuff it up there ass before they go into hibernation! He's said he knows it for a fact because he's seen bears shot out of their den with it stuffed right in there "
Gatehouse wrote."If a bear was shot in it's den, or just out of it, it would indeed have the plug installed, so your neighbor isn't telling tales..."
Grouseman wrote "yup, the bear plug is true....."
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boonerbuck said:
People probably say that because they see more deer movement after a few good frosts.
The first few frosts will cause the clover the deer have been feeding on to become more "woody" tasting and likely cause them to travel to other food sources.
