gth said:
Your right gth...
The first frosts raise the suger content in many of the deers favorite foods like brassicas (turnip). We always see increased daytime deer movement in the food plots after a good frost.
Hunting/Shooting, Myths and Misconceptions
- Thread starter BIGREDD
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Your right gth...
The first frosts raise the suger content in many of the deers favorite foods like brassicas (turnip). We always see increased daytime deer movement in the food plots after a good frost.
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Originally Posted by boonerbuck
"You need a cold snap to get the rut started!"
I think you hear that for the same reason hunting with dogs is more successful on cold mornings...scent. It's also easier for bucks to pick up the scent of doe's in heat on snappy days.
Originally Posted by boonerbuck
"You need a cold snap to get the rut started!"
I think you hear that for the same reason hunting with dogs is more successful on cold mornings...scent. It's also easier for bucks to pick up the scent of doe's in heat on snappy days.
Here are a few regarding wind drift.... none of which are true!
Light bullets are worse than heavy bullets.
Larger calibers do better than smaller calibers.
Hollow point bullets are worse than spitser bullets.
Bullets with higher sectional density are better than bullets with lower sectional density.
Light bullets are worse than heavy bullets.
Larger calibers do better than smaller calibers.
Hollow point bullets are worse than spitser bullets.
Bullets with higher sectional density are better than bullets with lower sectional density.
- Location
- South Cariboo, B.C.
gth said:
Well I'm rarely hunting in agricultural areas during the rut and most times I'm in the high country where snow is knee deep and the woods very thick. Most of the food for the mulies is browse and lichens.
The cold indeed produces frantic action in these areas also. There are many reasons for it and it's not just the deer species. Coyotes who do not focus on veggies in the winter are the same. The colder the night the more crazy they get. You have a -30 clear night and they are out in those fields by the dozens scrapping, yapping and chasing. It's like West Side Story. Stella!!!!!
BIGREDD said:
I'll bite
True, unless you're comparing bullets in the same cartridge. ie a 55gr in a 243 will drift more than a 70gr in a 243 (at least after you get past the first 100-200 tards), but both will drift a lot more than a 180 in a 300WM. I suppose it's how you define 'worse'BIGREDD said:
Again, define 'do better.' A BMG with a nice 1.07BC bullet at 2700 FPS will drift a lot less than most other cartridges out there, moreso at longer distances. A 7mm RUM with a 180gr VLD .800 BC bullet at say 3100fs will drift less than the BMG at moderate distances, but lose out furhter downrange due to it slowing down at a faster rate than the .50BIGREDD said:
Typically, in the same weight and caliber, the HP bullets are at a very slight BC disadvantage (i.e. drift more) than a similar spitzer. Probably not a noticable difference, but it is there nonetheless.BIGREDD said:
Only inasmuch as the SD impacts the BC. A .400BC 170gr RN .284 bullet will drift more than a .500 150gr .284 bullet, despite having much higher SD. But a 180gr VLD .284 with a .800 BC will drift less downrange, and it had a much higher SD.BIGREDD said:
The thing regarding drift is that it's only a significant factor out past 300 yards or so. Inside that, any differences are academic at best, and speed is usually the determining factor, not BC. It's a whole other story at moderate to long ranges where most hunters (campfire BS aside) don't take shots.
- Location
- Vancouver Island BC
myths
All this talk of Bc,Sd , wind drift ,Hp Spitzer, etc., etc, etc.,it doesn't matter what caliber or caliber you shoot if you miss.
I see so much these days of some hunters thinking that if you buy the latest and greatest rifle with the shiniest bullets that it will bag more game. This is the biggest pile of horse flop I ever heard. Practice and accuracy have always filled the freezer while shiny bullets look good on the shelf.
"Speed is fine, accuracy is final".....Wyatt Earp
All this talk of Bc,Sd , wind drift ,Hp Spitzer, etc., etc, etc.,it doesn't matter what caliber or caliber you shoot if you miss.
I see so much these days of some hunters thinking that if you buy the latest and greatest rifle with the shiniest bullets that it will bag more game. This is the biggest pile of horse flop I ever heard. Practice and accuracy have always filled the freezer while shiny bullets look good on the shelf.
"Speed is fine, accuracy is final".....Wyatt Earp
- Location
- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
'' That was a 500 meter shot '' Well turns out more like 250 meter
more like 250 meter 
Republic of Alberta
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- ,location, location
BIGREDD said:
I see a very large decrease in deer movement (movement into open feeding areas) after a few frosts. Once the green feed begins to die the deer have no reason to be standing out in the open. When this happens they start to feed exclusivly in the bush.
Republic of Alberta
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- ,location, location
People that claim cold weather makes the deer move need a shot to the head. I cannot get over the fact that they actualy think that deer would rather bed down in +5 weather and then start running all over the place when it is -30 with a 10mph wind.
Republic of Alberta
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- ,location, location
Actualy the simple fact of the matter is that deer in different areas act and react differently. One cannot make blanket statements for "deer".
The unforunate part is that there are a lot of inexpeienced hunters reading this internet BS thread and taking it at face value, and thus miths are started and propogated.
The reality is that unless you put your boots in the field you are not going to learn anyting of real value.
The unforunate part is that there are a lot of inexpeienced hunters reading this internet BS thread and taking it at face value, and thus miths are started and propogated.
The reality is that unless you put your boots in the field you are not going to learn anyting of real value.
- Location
- Vancouver Island BC
The shortening of the day is the biggest contributor to the rut. Cold spells happen when the days get shorter and closer to winter and this makes some believe that the cold snap brought the rut on.I get tired of trying to explain this to many long time hunters as they have ideas that are change or influence. Newbies are usually eager to learn and I encourage them to gather as much information from as many sources as possible rather than listen to old wives tales.
senior said:Here is my exacte quote from pg 3..
"Whatever you do don't call my neighbourgh on the FACT that bears make a plug & stuff it up there ass before they go into hibernation! He's said he knows it for a fact because he's seen bears shot out of their den with it stuffed right in there "
Gatehouse wrote."If a bear was shot in it's den, or just out of it, it would indeed have the plug installed, so your neighbor isn't telling tales..."
Grouseman wrote "yup, the bear plug is true....."
Well, if you knew about the plug in the first place, I would have thought that you woudl say "bears have plugs, but don't shove them in thier ass"
I suppose it seemed to me that you had no clue abotu the fact that they had butt plugs, but I guess you knew about it the whole time.
My mistake, sorry.
303carbine said:
Teh guy that knows how to use those shin bullets will proabbly do very well. Just becase someone uses somethign new or shiny, does not mean they lack skill.
Some might say the guy wiht the dirt cheap milsurp and dusty bullets can't hit crap, too.
neither one is necessisaril accurate, but I find that the guy wihtthe custom rifle and handloaded premium ammo is often interested enough in the craft to make themself a competent shot.
- Location
- AB foothills
Gatehouse said:
And the guy with the fat fingers still knows his stuff even though he cant type because of his oversized sausage fingers
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Some of my favorites -
A 7mm Magnum is so fast you don't have to lead running game - or hold for wind!
Run down hill from a charging bear!
Soft points kill better than solids!
I shot my caribou at a half mile with my .308! - Where did you hold? - Right on the shoulder!
Long barrels are more accurate than short barrels!
Trophy hunting depleats game herds!
I like irons better'n scopes! - followed by - Which way do I move my rear sight?
A wolverine can make a trapper just up and quit his line!
Nobody in Canada needs a handgun!
Bears won't bother you if you don't bother them!
A 7mm Magnum is so fast you don't have to lead running game - or hold for wind!
Run down hill from a charging bear!
Soft points kill better than solids!
I shot my caribou at a half mile with my .308! - Where did you hold? - Right on the shoulder!
Long barrels are more accurate than short barrels!
Trophy hunting depleats game herds!
I like irons better'n scopes! - followed by - Which way do I move my rear sight?
A wolverine can make a trapper just up and quit his line!
Nobody in Canada needs a handgun!
Bears won't bother you if you don't bother them!
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