Hunting with 40 S&W

[jamiejaf]

He is not limited to five rounds in a semi. It does matter what he is hunting. It matters even more where he is hunting. Hunting regulations are provincial. Yours don't work here.

Federal regulations that limit the size of magazines for semi-auto long guns aren't about hunting. If he's allowed to have that ten round mag at all, the Federal regulations don't prohibit using it for hunting. If his CX-4 isn't restricted, the Federal regulations don't prohibit using it for hunting.

Sask hunting regulations on calibre don't prohibit pistol calibres being used in carbines or rifles, as long as they comply with the specification of being not less than .24 diameter, which the .40 does. Sask hunting regulations don't limit the magazine capacity of carbines or rifles, semi-auto or otherwise, for big game hunting.

So, your saying the criminal code doesn't matter in Sask??? I'm un-pinning all my mags and going hunting there with my autoloaders.
I spent an hour reading the government of Saskachewan's site looking for mag capacity regs. http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/hunting I didn't find anything. I got bored and went back to my favorite #### site.

 

[Colin]

This will help you figure out the M/V of your storm

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/40sw.html

 

[Northman999]

So, your saying the criminal code doesn't matter in Sask??? I'm un-pinning all my mags and going hunting there with my autoloaders.
I spent an hour reading the government of Saskachewan's site looking for mag capacity regs. http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/hunting I didn't find anything. I got bored and went back to my favorite #### site.

As stated by others - IF THE FIREARM IS USING A LEGAL PISTOL MAG THEN THAT MAG CAN HOLD TEN ROUNDS. It doesn't matter if the pistol mag is in a pistol or a rifle - a pistol mag can hold ten rounds.

IF Sask has no additional mag limits other than the criminal code then he is fine. He's in exactly the same boat as guys with rifles that take the 10 round LAR-15 PISTOL MAGS. Legal. Done and done.

 

[TheTooner]

So, your saying the criminal code doesn't matter in Sask??? I'm un-pinning all my mags and going hunting there with my autoloaders.
I spent an hour reading the government of Saskachewan's site looking for mag capacity regs. http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/hunting I didn't find anything. I got bored and went back to my favorite #### site.

No, I'm saying the relevant regulations don't address it like that. I only recently discovered this myself. I used to think that the capacity of a semi-auto was governed by the regulations, but it is the capacity of the magazine, separate from the gun, that is regulated, according to what type of gun the magazine was made for. The way the federal firearms regulations are worded places the constraint of five rounds capacity on a detachable magazine made for a semi-auto long gun, but not on the actual firearm. If a legal pistol magazine, ten rounds, happens to work in a long gun, there is nothing in the regulations that prevents it being used in that long gun.

The only thing that would then prevent the long gun from being used for hunting would be restricted status, which would mean it can only be used on an approved range, where you are very unlikely to hunt. If it isn't restricted, like his CX-4 carbine isn't, the federal regulations don't affect whether it can be used for hunting. Then it all comes down to the hunting regulations. And in Saskatchewan, the hunting regulations don't prohibit using a semi-auto carbine for deer hunting, don't prohibit using .40S&W calibre for big game hunting, and, as you found in your own research, don't address magazine capacity for big game hunting.

 

[Woodsman]

Semi auto pistols can have up to 10 rounds capacity.

If the pistol and the rifle uses the same magazines, and the magazine is classed as a pistol magazine, you may use the pistol magazines in your rifle.

This I am aware of. Except, a pistol is a restricted item limited to range use, while an unrestricted rife can be used outside the range. Outside of the range, does it not fall under the regs pertaining to unrestricted rifle use?

 

[joe-nwt]

The pistol can only be possessed at a location where it is legal to do so. The magazine has no such possession restrictions.

 

[insurrecto]

"It is unlawful to set out, use or employ any of the following items for the purpose of hunting big game: an auto loading firearm that has the capacity to hold more than 5 cartridges in the magazine."(from the alberta hunting regs)

how stupid!

The capacity is determined by the magazine, not the firearm!

The way i read that, it prohibits hunting with virtually all semi-autos, since any firearm with a detachable mag has the capacity to hold more than 5 cartridges if such a magazine could be constructed or obtained.

Never mind the legalities of possessing said magazines; if its possible to get one for your gun, that firearm may not be used for hunting.

The 10 rd pistol magazines are legal to use, but the firearm is not, since it may accept a magazine which holds any number of cartridges exceeding five...

stupid, stupid, laws and regs

as far as hunting with .40sw goes, i think it should be illegal

 

[joe-nwt]

how stupid!

The capacity is determined by the magazine, not the firearm!

The way i read that, it prohibits hunting with virtually all semi-autos, since any firearm with a detachable mag has the capacity to hold more than 5 cartridges if such a magazine could be constructed or obtained.

Never mind the legalities of possessing said magazines; if its possible to get one for your gun, that firearm may not be used for hunting.

Not. The list of non-restricted, semi-auto firearms that use 10-round pistol mags is quite small. For all OTHER semi-auto centerfire rifles, magazines with a capacity of more than 5 rounds are prohibited. For all intents, they do not exist in Canada. It's against the law to construct or obtain these prohibited devices. I'm sure most will agree the intent of the reg you quoted is to limit semi-auto mag to 5rnds, not the semi-auto itself. Same as plugging your shotgun to hold 3 rounds. Not saying I think it's fair or agreeing with it.

 

[tmlaqua]

I just met a guy who took a white tail with a revolver contraption this fall. 45 long colt. He dropped it easily at around 15 yards or so. It can be done with hand gun rounds. I guess you just need to know the limitations of what you are shooting and use common sense. My personal feelings are that I would not do it, but that is because my idea of a fun hunting trip doesn't involve tracking wounded game for hours on end. It just seems that with a lower powered firearm that the odds of a non-lethal hit are higher. On another note: this does raise an interesting question... is a 6 shot revolver actioned firearm exempt from the 5 cartridge rule?

 

[Gatehouse]

I think its in the BC regs too!

I've never seen it, but maybe you could quote it for me?

 

[Miles Teg]

This is all I could find for B.C., it looks like any centerfire is legal as long as your not Buffalo hunting.

Firearms
4No person shall hunt wildlife with a handgun.
4A muzzle loader containing powder and shot in the barrel but
unprimed (ie, no powder in the pan of a flint lock or no cap in the
nipple of a percussion lock) is not considered a loaded firearm under
the Criminal Code (Canada).
4It is unlawful to hunt with a set gun, or to hunt wildlife with a pump,
repeating or auto-loading shotgun with a magazine capable of holding
more than two shells. Where the use of a shotgun is allowed for
hunting or trapping big game, an unplugged shotgun holding more than
2 shells and firing single projectiles only (slugs) may be used.
4It is unlawful to use full metal jacketed, non-expanding, tracer, incendiary
or explosive bullets for hunting or trapping game.

 

[Camp Cook]

If I could legally hunt with my 5.5" Ruger Bisley Vaquero's in 45 Colt I would if I had a proper rest shoot out too 100 yards if a broad side shot presented itself.

I can hit a 10" dia paper plate sized target with every shot at that distance without trying to hard and this is with the factory fixed sights and my loads would be 240gr XTP-Mags @ 1330fps to 345gr WLNGC's (hard cast gas checked) @ 1120fps.

John Linebaugh's wife loads her revolver in 45 Colt with 250gr water dropped cast @ 950fps and has successfully harvested many deer @ distance over 50 yards.

Which is why I see no reason if you can limit your shots to max 25 - 30 yards a properly loaded 40S&W carbine will get the job done.