Hunting with a Garand
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the regs don't say anything about the limits on mags, except the refference to the CFC regulations..... it basically means that you can hunt with a full 8 rounds enblock.
Ontario also eludes to explain the mean of FMJ, but if we don't have ethics, than..... anywho... 8 rounds are ok for hunting.
Ontario also eludes to explain the mean of FMJ, but if we don't have ethics, than..... anywho... 8 rounds are ok for hunting.
I failed to notice any refference to the use of FMJ bullets or the very definition of them. A traditional FMJ is not the same (from a hunter's perspective) with a solid.
I agree that the old definition does not apply to the Barnes, failsafe and so on, but they are intended to open up. FMJ is designed to fragment, while the solid ones.... to penetrate. I see teh sense in not needing the last two, as we don't sport water buffalo or elefants, but for bison in AB.....who knows?
If you find any specifications in the regs. , please point them out to me.
I agree that the old definition does not apply to the Barnes, failsafe and so on, but they are intended to open up. FMJ is designed to fragment, while the solid ones.... to penetrate. I see teh sense in not needing the last two, as we don't sport water buffalo or elefants, but for bison in AB.....who knows?
If you find any specifications in the regs. , please point them out to me.
eltorro said:
I was under the impression that you couldnt hunt with a semiautomatic with more than 6 rounds? (one pipe, 5 mag)
I'm guessing this is just the regular firearms safety and not actually the hunting regulations?
Regardless though,
whatever you are hunting you arnt going to need 8 rounds of 30-06 to take down the beast!
But if you can hunt with 8 in the bloc i might go pick one up once I get some money
the firearms act state exactly what you said and then it mentiones that there are some exceptions, of course.
One exception is the M1 Garand that has been designed to function with the clip and the clip has 8 rounds. I heard someone came with a 5 round contraption and we can only hope the a*****les from the gvt. will not come in contact with it..... or we'll see all clips prohibited.
The hunting regs abide by the Firearms reg. , with a few exceptions.
One exception is the M1 Garand that has been designed to function with the clip and the clip has 8 rounds. I heard someone came with a 5 round contraption and we can only hope the a*****les from the gvt. will not come in contact with it..... or we'll see all clips prohibited.
The hunting regs abide by the Firearms reg. , with a few exceptions.
Hey WW2, it's 5 rounds for a self loader rifle in Alberta.
3 rounds for a shotgun.
Here's a link to the regs.
http://www.albertaoutdoorsmen.ca/huntingregs/
Under, General Regulations, Big Game Prohibitions, 3rd point down.
3 rounds for a shotgun.
Here's a link to the regs.
http://www.albertaoutdoorsmen.ca/huntingregs/
Under, General Regulations, Big Game Prohibitions, 3rd point down.
OneBarfly said:Same thing in Ontario - Only shotguns are specifically mentioned. Other are according to Federal law magazine limits and/or exceptions. Belt fed anybody?
Its too bad about shotguns being specifically mentioned. After the changeover to steel shot, I was hoping someone would start producing a belt-fed 12 guage!
Shotguns are in the hunting regs to comply with the Migratory Bird Act and to reduce 'sky busting'.
The downside to hunting with an M-1 is the friggin' thing is heavy to lug around. As long as the mag is legal federally, you're good in Ontario. M-1's are, of course, specifically exempt from the stupid mag rule.
The downside to hunting with an M-1 is the friggin' thing is heavy to lug around. As long as the mag is legal federally, you're good in Ontario. M-1's are, of course, specifically exempt from the stupid mag rule.
I'm going to resurrect this old thread because I was planning on taking my M1 out for deer in a couple of months, when the guy whose land I'm going out on advised me that I should give Fish and Wildlife a call to see what they say about the 8 shot semi exemption before I got busted for something.
Well, after calling and being told that "someone who knows" will call you back I quite quickly got a call from a guy who starts off mispronouncing the name of the rifle
"So you were wondering about hunting using the M1 Jeran rifle?"
"The GARAND, yes. I know semi autos are only supposed to have 5 round limit in Alberta, but this rifle has been an exception by the CFC standards for ownership, so shouldn't it also be the exception for the hunting regs?"
"Sorry, when it comes to the hunting regs it very clearly says on page 18 that ONLY a 5 round limit is allowed for semi auto rifles."
"Really, eh? So I for sure cannot use the M1 GARAND for hunting in Alberta?"
"No."
That's how it went, right from a supposed expert. So I'm working feverishly to trim one of my clips to only hold 5 or less and still function.
Trouble is that I really don't want to succeed and then have something come down the pipe from the CFC saying all clips have to be modified to meet the rules. Really I'm tempted just to take it out anyway and see what happens if I get checked by a CO.
Anyone ever been checked by a CO while hunting with the M1?
Well, after calling and being told that "someone who knows" will call you back I quite quickly got a call from a guy who starts off mispronouncing the name of the rifle
"So you were wondering about hunting using the M1 Jeran rifle?"
"The GARAND, yes. I know semi autos are only supposed to have 5 round limit in Alberta, but this rifle has been an exception by the CFC standards for ownership, so shouldn't it also be the exception for the hunting regs?"
"Sorry, when it comes to the hunting regs it very clearly says on page 18 that ONLY a 5 round limit is allowed for semi auto rifles."
"Really, eh? So I for sure cannot use the M1 GARAND for hunting in Alberta?"
"No."
That's how it went, right from a supposed expert. So I'm working feverishly to trim one of my clips to only hold 5 or less and still function.
Trouble is that I really don't want to succeed and then have something come down the pipe from the CFC saying all clips have to be modified to meet the rules. Really I'm tempted just to take it out anyway and see what happens if I get checked by a CO.
Anyone ever been checked by a CO while hunting with the M1?
Call Marstar and order a couple 5 round enbloc clips for your Garand. That is what I do and so far so good. Also remember that the 5 shot limit for Semi's is only for Big Game. No mention of it for any other animals in Alberta not classed as Big Game. Ie. Coyotes.
I ran a 10 rnd mag on my 243,7400 for yotes for ages(pre C-68), even got stopped by the Fish Cops more than once, they only asked what I used the mag for and when I replied it for coyotes, they often would ask again but,with the same reply the always dropped it. They pretty much have to either prove intent,or catch or see you shoot a Big Game animal with a magazine over 5 rounds.
I ran a 10 rnd mag on my 243,7400 for yotes for ages(pre C-68), even got stopped by the Fish Cops more than once, they only asked what I used the mag for and when I replied it for coyotes, they often would ask again but,with the same reply the always dropped it. They pretty much have to either prove intent,or catch or see you shoot a Big Game animal with a magazine over 5 rounds.
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Straight from the Ontario MNR Hunting Summary are these two snippets.
You must plug a semi-automatic or repeating shotgun so that it will not hold more than a total of three shells in the chamber and magazine combined.
Under the Criminal Code of Canada you cannot possess any clip/magazine that holds more than five shots for a semi-automatic centre fire rifle unless that clip/magazine has been specifically exempted, pursuant to the Firearms Regulations.
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/FW/Publication/MNR_E001275P.html
The M-1 Garand was specifically exempted from the 5 round magazine capacity limit. Look into the Firearms Act or the Criminal Code and you'll find it referenced there.
You must plug a semi-automatic or repeating shotgun so that it will not hold more than a total of three shells in the chamber and magazine combined.
Under the Criminal Code of Canada you cannot possess any clip/magazine that holds more than five shots for a semi-automatic centre fire rifle unless that clip/magazine has been specifically exempted, pursuant to the Firearms Regulations.
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/FW/Publication/MNR_E001275P.html
The M-1 Garand was specifically exempted from the 5 round magazine capacity limit. Look into the Firearms Act or the Criminal Code and you'll find it referenced there.
