hunting with atvs in Alberta

stubblejumper said:
It just doesn't make sense that it is safe for some people to have a loaded firearm on a vehicle,but it is not safe for everyone.Just like it's safe for some people to discharge firearms after dark,but not everyone else.Different laws for different people doesn't make any sense,when public safety is the excuse for those laws existing in the first place.Unfortunately,it is unlikely that we will ever have sensible firearms laws.
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Well I certainly agree with you about how it doesn't make sense that certain groups can be exempt from supposed safety laws that are meant for everybody.

However I am glad that they have such a provision for the disabled, and for those who are getting on in their years, but can still enjoy the hunt.
 
GeoTrekr said:
Well I certainly agree with you about how it doesn't make sense that certain groups can be exempt from supposed safety laws that are meant for everybody.

However I am glad that they have such a provision for the disabled, and for those who are getting on in their years, but can still enjoy the hunt.
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Agreed!
 
However I am glad that they have such a provision for the disabled, and for those who are getting on in their years, but can still enjoy the hunt.
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A disabled or elderly person can hunt without having to discharge a firearm from a vehicle.I have helped a friend get his father to and from a stand where he sat in a comfortable chair with a rest to shoot off of.We drove him to his stand,and then drove the vehicle out of sight.If he bagged an animal,he still needed help to dress and recover it anyways,so he couldn't hunt totally on his own even if he could shoot from a vehicle.
 
One of the guys in our group is disabled and he hunts from his quad. I personally think its great that someone in the government has the forsite to allow him to legally shoot from a quad. To say that its not safe is hog wash. He actually shot a nice 4 pt muley the other day from his quad with a cross bow. Again no difference as far as I'm concerned. Before this was legal he had to sit in a wheel chair in a blind. Because he has no feeling from the belt down he could not stay out or hunt in extreme cold weather. Now he comes out to the farm gets out of his truck to the wheelchair then to the quad and away he goes. All the gates are set up so he has no problems. He calls on the cell phone when he has some thing down. ----Cowboy
 
stubblejumper said:
A disabled or elderly person can hunt without having to discharge a firearm from a vehicle.I have helped a friend get his father to and from a stand where he sat in a comfortable chair with a rest to shoot off of.We drove him to his stand,and then drove the vehicle out of sight.If he bagged an animal,he still needed help to dress and recover it anyways,so he couldn't hunt totally on his own even if he could shoot from a vehicle.
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That's just great IF he has some-one to help him around!
What if he wants to hunt alone?? I see nothing wrong with a disabled or elderly person shooting from any kind of vehicle if that's what it takes for them to get out & enjoy a hunt.
 
pharaoh2 said:
Unless of course you suffer from a disability which limits your mobility. Then you can get a permit from Fish and Wildlife, which when signed by your doctor, will allow you to hunt from your atv.
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I wonder if being morbidly obese qualifies as a "disability"? There were a couple of "disabled" guys at the range last year who were trying to get their quad in so they could ride down to 100 yds to hang paper and check it.

I was curious what they do if they actually kill a deer but quickly came to the obvious conclusion that they simply eat it where it drops.
 
Lazy Ike said:
I wonder if being morbidly obese qualifies as a "disability"? There were a couple of "disabled" guys at the range last year who were trying to get their quad in so they could ride down to 100 yds to hang paper and check it.

I was curious what they do if they actually kill a deer but quickly came to the obvious conclusion that they simply eat it where it drops.
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That's why you always take a fry pan and a box of salt with you.:D
 
Lazy Ike said:
I wonder if being morbidly obese qualifies as a "disability"? There were a couple of "disabled" guys at the range last year who were trying to get their quad in so they could ride down to 100 yds to hang paper and check it.

I was curious what they do if they actually kill a deer but quickly came to the obvious conclusion that they simply eat it where it drops.
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Ahhh Sibbald, where you can and will see everything.:D

Good on 'em for getting out to try. It is scary for some you'd think they are going to have a heart attack just climbing out of their van. Soon the Harpoon gun will be available with a quad frame kit. I hope they kill it the first shot.
Can you say rodeo?

An older gent from home was kind of interested in going hunting with me this fall, but at 88 obviously he can't just put on his duds and head out across his quarter section. It would be great to take him out. I would happily do all the field work for him just for the experience of hunting with him. :cool: Unless it is from the cab of a truck I don't see how it would be possible though. He's not very steady on his feet.
 
Noel said:
Ahhh Sibbald, where you can and will see everything.:D

Good on 'em for getting out to try. It is scary for some you'd think they are going to have a heart attack just climbing out of their van. Soon the Harpoon gun will be available with a quad frame kit. I hope they kill it the first shot.
Can you say rodeo?

An older gent from home was kind of interested in going hunting with me this fall, but at 88 obviously he can't just put on his duds and head out across his quarter section. It would be great to take him out. I would happily do all the field work for him just for the experience of hunting with him. :cool: Unless it is from the cab of a truck I don't see how it would be possible though. He's not very steady on his feet.
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At 88 he should get carried around in a Sedan chair by 6 cheerleaders dressed in beak-up!
 
I sent a message to my CO at home and will relay the news. I'm not holding my breath.
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This Old Norkse is just a hoot to visit with.
 
stubblejumper said:
I am just wondering how Fish&Wildlife can allow a person to violate federal legislation by having a loaded firearm on a motor vehicle.You can't fire the gun off of the atv until it is loaded,and the moment that you load it on the atv,you violate federal firearms legislation.Several provinces lost a court challenge to federal firearms legislation,so how can Alberta Fish&Wildlife now have the authority to overrule federal legislation?It doesn't make sense.
A bow is different,since it isn't a firearm.
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Help me out here. Which Federal law are you referring to?
 
stubblejumper said:
It just doesn't make sense that it is safe for some people to have a loaded firearm on a vehicle,but it is not safe for everyone.Just like it's safe for some people to discharge firearms after dark,but not everyone else.Different laws for different people doesn't make any sense,when public safety is the excuse for those laws existing in the first place.Unfortunately,it is unlikely that we will ever have sensible firearms laws.
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Grizzlypeg said:
Help me out here. Which Federal law are you referring to?
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I just went through the firearms charges in the Criminal Code, and there are no offenses for firing from a vehicle, or having a firearm loaded in a motor vehicle. As well, all implements of husbandry (farm equipment) are exempt as motor vehicles (this means you can shoot all the deer you want from the John Deere). Section 86 CC is the closest thing to it, and it has not and will not be used (in Alberta due to case law) for these offenses, unless they are grossly unsafe. There are only Provincial Statutes for these offenses according to a F&W officer up stairs. This all being true, the province does have the right to give written exemptions, the same as the CFO has the right to give out ATC's and such.
 
Help me out here. Which Federal law are you referring to?
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Here you go.


http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cr/SOR-98-209/bo-ga:s_10//en#anchorbo-ga:s_10

From that link.

(1) An individual may transport a non-restricted firearm only if

(a) except in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, it is unloaded; and

(b) in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, its firing cap or flint is removed.
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Lazy Ike said:
I wonder if being morbidly obese qualifies as a "disability"? There were a couple of "disabled" guys at the range last year who were trying to get their quad in so they could ride down to 100 yds to hang paper and check it.

I was curious what they do if they actually kill a deer but quickly came to the obvious conclusion that they simply eat it where it drops.
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lol. This had to be the free range west of Calgary. Some good people there, but a bunch of them simply need a kick in the nuts.
 
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