hunting with canpro plated projectiles??

Janeau said:
How you do that with Berger - Barnes and other brand of hunting bullets that have no lead at all exposed ?
You hack them with a saw to expose lead ?

If Campro are considered FMJ - then all Berger hunting bullets are also FMJ has other manufacturer offering in the same configuration. But there is a BIG difference with the opinion here and what hunting regulation allow.
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You Don't.
Modifying bullets is dumb.
Bullets are manufactured for specific purposes.
If you use Campros to hunt in my neck of the woods and are caught, you will be charged.
Then you can make your a$$hat arguments to a judge and see what they think.

Why is it so important for you that other people agree with you anyway? Stupidity loves company I guess.
Just splurge and spend the extra 30 cents on a hunting bullet. There are plenty of cheap bullets designed to expand.
 
Maybe you don’t know how to understand what you read..’ this is optimized to be as small as possible - were is their statement about being a hollow point ? They close the tip as much as they can without fusing them together.
You are trying your best to win an argument that you cannot win. They are not hollow point - period.

Thats not how they are build to expand. And were is their statement- to meet Manitoba hunting- supposed rules -about exposed lead ? Thats all it about - if Campro swaged lead - copper plated are fmj - Berger bullet are also.
 
Personally I would just load up some bullets designed for hunting. Always best to eliminate as many variables as possible and if you are putting in the time and effort to go for big game a few extra bucks for proper bullets is worth it in my opinion.
 
To the OP.
Arguments a side... think of this. You finally get your moose draw or the buck of a lifetime steps out. Do you want a bullet designed for hunting or one that is designed for general use.

Save the campros for practice. I have a put over 1000's through my 45/70. I have a small box of 100 hunting bullets. Found a load that prints the same in the distance I would harvest game as the campro.

Practice cheap, don't let cheap ruin a good hunt or prolong a quick harvest.
 
Janeau said:
Maybe you don’t know how to understand what you read..’ this is optimized to be as small as possible - were is their statement about being a hollow point ? They close the tip as much as they can without fusing them together.
You are trying your best to win an argument that you cannot win. They are not hollow point - period.
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speaking of reading,

dare I point out it's C A M P R O, !! not CanPro
 
One easy way to tell most FMJ bullets is to look for an exposed lead base. Most bullet designs require the jacket to be open at one end for adding the lead, and because FMJ bullets have a full jacket on the tip end, they tend to have their opening at the base. Most other designs (hp, sp, etc) have the opening at the tip end and will have the jacket covering the entire base.

Here's a speer hotcor beside a surplus FMJ, notice the exposed lead on the FMJ vs nothing but jacket on the hotcor:
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Janeau said:
Thats stupid has stupid go. That also mean all Berger hunting bullet ( and many other brands ) and bullet with plastic tip are fmj.. 99.5 % of hunting bullets have no lead exposed..you hunt with what ? Rocks ?
Bow and arrows..hunting tips of arrows are fmj…
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The Bergers I used in the past have a small pin hole at the tip for expansion - your campro's DO NOT !!! guess I am a dum dumb
 
ivobb said:
The Bergers I used in the past have a small pin hole at the tip for expansion - your campro's DO NOT !!! guess I am a dum dumb
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And what is behind that pinhole? A hollow cavity!

But it's not a hollow point because the hole is small apparently? Lol


Of course if the hole size is so critical, I'm sure Janeau can tell us how big the hole has to be before it can be classified as a hollow point, right???
 
9-ball said:
To the OP.
Arguments a side... think of this. You finally get your moose draw or the buck of a lifetime steps out. Do you want a bullet designed for hunting or one that is designed for general use.

Save the campros for practice. I have a put over 1000's through my 45/70. I have a small box of 100 hunting bullets. Found a load that prints the same in the distance I would harvest game as the campro.

Practice cheap, don't let cheap ruin a good hunt or prolong a quick harvest.
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That's what I would do.

I use thousands of Campro bullets but I don't see the point in pushing a bullet design into a task it's not designed for, when there are plenty of other options.

As for legality, I would expect a CO to write up a ticket if found using Campro bullets because they are fully metal encased. You might be able to argue the different properties of a FMJ vs Plated but that's no guarantee.

I think the biggest challenge would be to actually run into a CO who inspects your 45/70 ammo. I've never experienced a FMJ check and neither have any of my friends or acquaintances. I think the only time I've really heard of it was many years ago on this or some other site where a hunter said he was checked because he had a surplus gun (maybe SKS?) and the CO was concerned he was using surplus ammo- which he wasn't.
 
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jamesharrison said:
Here you go; right from the MB Hunting Guide:

CARTRIDGES
Cartridges having a full metal cased hard point bullet
(including military-type cartridges such as Full Metal Cartridge,
Full Metal Jacket and Total Metal Cartridge) cannot be used by
or be in the possession of a big game hunter
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And here's BCs:

Division 7 — Hunting Methods

Offence — weapons
17 (1)A person commits an offence where the person hunts

(a) with a rifle using

(i) a full metal jacketed non-expanding bullet
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One could certainly argue that a campro is not a non-expanding bullet, and I'd even agree with that - if anything I'd expect them to expand too much because they're pretty soft bullets.

But there's a big difference between trying to convince the internet and trying to convince a CO who is looking at your ammo and all he can see is a bullet with no hollow point and no exposed lead.
 
I wrote an email to campro the other day asking about this... straight from CAMPRO:


Hello ###xx

The Cam Pro 45-70 405 gr was designed for target shooting. It does not expand and hence is not used for hunting.

Best Regards
Patrick




Patrick Tremblay
Expert en Balistique
Ballistic Expert
 
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