Hunting with FMJ's in Ontario and Quebec

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Hey guys,

I have a friend who lives in Ontario and it would seem that it is LEGAL to hunt with FMJ's (full metal jacket bullets) there. I have looked in the Quebec hunting regs, and cannot find any mention of specifically prohibiting hunting with FMJ's either.

I know some provinces specifically state that they are not permitted to hunt with, but was wondering if perhaps I am missing where it is stated exactly for Ontario and/or Quebec.

For what it's worth, my friend is someone who is in a position to potentially add this law to the hunting regs in Ontario, so he is looking for some precedents in other provinces to help with his cause.

Any info would be greatly appreciated. I'll do some more searching, but any specific links to other provincial laws would be great!

Thanks!
 
I believe Barnes has a FMJ hunting round made to expand in the traditional way a hunting round should. This way folks in California can still hunt and not use any lead. Keeps the Governator happy....
 
pharaoh2 said:
Why would you want to? They built expanding bullets for a reason. If ethical dispatch of game isn't enough, how about an over penetration issue? :slap:
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I don't want to... I simply want to find out where in the actual provincial regulations this is... IF it's even there.

eeyouelder said:
FMJ are prohibited in Québec for hunting purposes.
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captonion said:
Also Ontario.
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Alright, that's what I wanted to hear (and what i've always thought). Can you provide me with some specific links?? I have looked at the Quebec hunting regulations and cannot find anything mentioning FMJ's.
 
eeyouelder said:
FMJ are prohibited in Québec for hunting purposes.
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captonion said:
Also Ontario.
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I refer you to page 6 of this document, which is the part of the Ontario hunting regs which deals with firearms and ammunition.... there is no mention of FMJ's here, or anywhere else I can find.

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/239841.pdf

Here is the link to the page of the Quebec hunting regs which outlines arms and ammunition. Again, no mention of FMJ's.

http://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/online/wildlife/hunting-regulations/arms/arms.asp
 
I have found many provincial hunting regs to be more of a "overview" of the laws.

If you want the full list of laws and regulations, you may have to dig a bit deeper. Perhaps contacting the ministry in that province and see if they will point you to the complete regulations.
 
check the applicable Provincial Wildlife Act sometimes they are not in the hunting regulations but that doesn't mean a thing you must reference the Wildlife act as that is the bible...Icon is on the right track.
 
Ive done some searching... it would seem that every province WEST of and including Manitoba, specifically prohibit FMJ "non expanding" ammunition for hunting. It is clearly stated in their hunting laws. The eastern provinces made no mention of it, though they clearly state restrictions on shot sizes, muzzleloading bullets, arrow heads etc...

My buddy in Ontario is very well versed in provicial laws, being both a police officer and official provicial instructor for the hunting course and the federal firearms courses. He has looked into it extensively with the powers that be, and has found nothing...

Here are some of my reserach efforts:

Prohibited in BC (Page 17): http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/regulations/0809/docs/Hunting_Regulations.pdf

Prohibited in Alberta: http://www.albertaregulations.ca/huntingregs/

Prohibited in Saskachewan (Page 10): http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/ad...s&MediaID=938&Filename=2008+Hunting+Guide.pdf

Prohibited in Manitoba: http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/wildlife/hunting/biggame/firearms.html

Nothing can be found in Ontario: http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/239841.pdf

Nothing can be found in Quebec: http://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/online/wildlife/hunting-regulations/arms/arms.asp

Nothing can be found in New Brunswick:
http://www.gnb.ca/0078/publications/HuntTrap-e.pdf

Nothing can be found in Nova Scotia:
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/hunt/regulations/2007/2007HuntingRegs.pdf

Nothing can be found in PEI:
http://www.gov.pe.ca/photos/original/eef_hunting_06e.pdf

Prohibited in Yukon (Page 14): http://www.environmentyukon.gov.yk.ca/pdf/hunting_regs_eng2008.pdf
 
Steyr101 said:
Ive done some searching... it would seem that every province WEST of and including Manitoba, specifically prohibit FMJ "non expanding" ammunition for hunting. It is clearly stated in their hunting laws. The eastern provinces made no mention of it, though they clearly state restrictions on shot sizes, muzzleloading bullets, arrow heads etc...

My buddy in Ontario is very well versed in provicial laws, being both a police officer and official provicial instructor for the hunting course and the federal firearms courses. He has looked into it extensively with the powers that be, and has found nothing...

Here are some of my reserach efforts:

Prohibited in BC (Page 17): http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/regulations/0809/docs/Hunting_Regulations.pdf

Prohibited in Alberta: http://www.albertaregulations.ca/huntingregs/

Prohibited in Saskachewan (Page 10): http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/ad...s&MediaID=938&Filename=2008+Hunting+Guide.pdf

Prohibited in Manitoba: http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/wildlife/hunting/biggame/firearms.html

Nothing can be found in Ontario: http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/239841.pdf

Nothing can be found in Quebec: http://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/online/wildlife/hunting-regulations/arms/arms.asp

Nothing can be found in New Brunswick:
http://www.gnb.ca/0078/publications/HuntTrap-e.pdf

Nothing can be found in Nova Scotia:
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/hunt/regulations/2007/2007HuntingRegs.pdf

Nothing can be found in PEI:
http://www.gov.pe.ca/photos/original/eef_hunting_06e.pdf

Prohibited in Yukon (Page 14): http://www.environmentyukon.gov.yk.ca/pdf/hunting_regs_eng2008.pdf
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Nova Scotia has no FMJ as well it's in the Wildlife Act as i've said before..the hunting regulations are only an overview and your ass is screwed if you're caught doesn't matter if it's not in the hunting regulations...in fact in NS you can't even step 1 foot into a wildlife habitat with FMJ check the NS Wildlife Act...
 
I am sure I read somewhere that in Que it is illegal.
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Why would you
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The fact that Barnes makes that special kind of round still does not make me agree, since most people would just buy surplus FMJ, and there would be wounded animals running around the bush. FMJ was not intended to kill, but more to wound and wound as many as you can. In my opinion its just not an ethical way to hunt and is probably pretty dangerous since most of the bullets will be hitting your game and coming out the other side.
 
watsknew said:
Nova Scotia has no FMJ as well it's in the Wildlife Act as i've said before..the hunting regulations are only an overview and your ass is screwed if you're caught doesn't matter if it's not in the hunting regulations...in fact in NS you can't even step 1 foot into a wildlife habitat with FMJ check the NS Wildlife Act...
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Ok, i'll look into the Ontario and Quebec wildlife act. Thanks for the tip. Have you got a link from the relevant section of the NSWA??

It just seems bizarre that they mention everything else in the regs as far as what ammunition is prohibited, yet no mention of FMJ's

Here is a link to the Ontario Wildlife Act... I can't find any mention of any type of prohibited ammunition of any sort.

http://www.canlii.org/on/laws/sta/1997c.41/20080716/whole.html
 
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http://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/online/wildlife/hunting-regulations/arms/gears.asp

It is prohibited :

to hunt caribou using 8, 10, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28 or .410-gauge shotguns;
to hunt any animal using traps or snares. Hares and Eastern cottontail may however be snared in certain zones;
to call an animal using an electronic device in order to hunt it. However an electronically reproduced sound may be used to hunt American crow;
To hunt using a means or a device (electronic or other) making it possible to reveal, detect or indicate the immediate presence of an animal in order to hunt it;
to hunt using a live animal as a decoy;
to use any mechanism that would trigger or discharge an arm without discharging the arm oneself;
to use poison, explosives, toxic substances or an electrical discharge to hunt;
to use tracer bullets, military-type hard-point bullets or bullets with non-flattening tips to hunt
 
RobSmith said:
http://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/online/wildlife/hunting-regulations/arms/gears.asp

It is prohibited :

to hunt caribou using 8, 10, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28 or .410-gauge shotguns;
to hunt any animal using traps or snares. Hares and Eastern cottontail may however be snared in certain zones;
to call an animal using an electronic device in order to hunt it. However an electronically reproduced sound may be used to hunt American crow;
To hunt using a means or a device (electronic or other) making it possible to reveal, detect or indicate the immediate presence of an animal in order to hunt it;
to hunt using a live animal as a decoy;
to use any mechanism that would trigger or discharge an arm without discharging the arm oneself;
to use poison, explosives, toxic substances or an electrical discharge to hunt;
to use tracer bullets, military-type hard-point bullets or bullets with non-flattening tips to hunt
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Thank you Rob!!!! No wonder I couldn't find it... it is under the title "other gears permitted"!!! LOL

One down... one to go... can anyone find me the specific law in Ontario???
 
Steyr here's an excerpt from the NS Wildlife Act:

Prohibited weapons

81 Every person is guilty of an offence who uses or possesses, in a wildlife habitat, any


(a) automatic firearm;


(b) prohibited or restricted firearm, except under the authority of the Criminal Code (Canada);


(c) firearm which has been altered to operate as an automatic firearm;


(d) bullet of a tracer or incendiary type;


(e) arrow equipped with an explosive type of head of any description or tipped or carrying any poison or drug of any description;


(f) full metal cased non-mushrooming or non-expanding bullet or ball; or

(g) item prescribed by regulation. R.S., c. 504, s. 81.


and here's the full link:
http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/legc/statutes/wildlife.htm

it's almost criminal that it is not included in the hunting regulations but i think they do it almost on purpose to ambush unsuspecting hunters and to give the conservation officers the upper hand.
 
i looked in Ontario and i can't find it in the Wildlife act so i don't know...i'd say it's written in some obscure literature maybe give the conservation officers there a call they should know.
 
Now we are getting somewhere guys!! Thanks alot for you help.

I read my little booklet on provicial hunting regs religiously every year to make sure im up to date... but not including such relevant information is indeed rediculous.

Im pretty sure it's nowhere to be found in Ontario... my buddy has already called several different departments and agencies.
 
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