Hunting with inexpensive target loads?

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Is there much downside to hunting upland game with discount target loads? I just picked up a couple boxes of winchester Super-Target 12ga 2 3/4'' 1145fps 1 1/8oz 7.5shot boxes, I couldnt pass up the price, 5$ for 25$. Do these types of shells handicap a hunter for grouse and the likes?

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Regardless of the brand/cost of cartridge used, a couple well placed pellets are sufficient to drop any Grouse or Woodcock. The thought may rather be in terms of the type of pattern(s) one's particular shotgun may deliver with a particular brand of shell.

On the other hand, if one is simply shooting at stationary birds then the question of pattern automatically becomes insignificant.
 
Just try them on paper,if you get a good even pattern then use them.If not then try a different brand.It will also tell you where your shotgun is hitting.High ,low, too the side.
 
I have several white boxes of #4 I pick from for grouse but I do prefer the #7.5 federal trap loads... Seems to knock em down better and the pellets don't make it into the breast... I tried some #2 mags once but they cause alot of damage to a little bird even with no choke.
 
Far from handicapping you, they are almost overkill.

Consider this: Snipe hunters often prefer the brisk handling of a .410. This might surprise some people, considering the small shot stream. But, even with fast-turning, small targets like snipe, an even shot pattern is more important than quantity of pellets or velocity.

In the most competitive trap events on earth (Olympics, World Cups), International Trap shooters are limited to 24 gram loads (roughly 1 or 2 pellets less than 7/8 oz.)

W.W. Greener undertook painstaking research into achieving optimal patterns. His work was originally focused on choke-boring barrels, but he also discovered some fundamental principles for superior results. For example, he saw that there were numerous "fliers" , or "outliers" as they would be considered in a data sample. Closer investigation revealed that patterns are disrupted, and fliers created in at least two ways.

Deformation of pellets occurs when they are flat-sided through friction or skewed by pressure from the shot cup or the choke constriction. Any change in the shape of the pellets will affect their trajectory.

But, pellets are also 'stripped off' of the shot at the moment it exits the barrel, if the powder charge isn't spent prior to that instant. The effect is that of a blast of blow-by that rushes past the rear of the shot and knocks pellets out to the sides.

Migratory bird hunters sometimes have a legitimate need for high energy at extended distances. Upland hunters, however, have nothing to gain and much to lose from heavy loads. We would be best served with 7/8 to 1 oz low pressure loads (with occasional exceptions for long shots on pheasant or sharptail). Lightly loaded, low pressure loads would reduce carry weight of ammunition, reduce felt recoil on light upland guns, reduce wear on guns, improve shot patterns, and presumably they would reduce the cost of production (since lead is supposedly sooo expensive:rolleyes:).

Manufacturers should want to improve safety, reduce costs, and increase their business. Yet not one has noticed that they could produce 2 1/2" shells, lightly loaded at 7/8 oz., with a carefully balanced charge designed to push the load at approximately 1200 fps. These would improve safety overnight by being safer in older vintage guns. They would be cheaper to produce due to shorter cases and less lead and powder usage. And, I would think they'd find a ready market in Canada, where the upland hunter is all but ignored.

But, unless you have a vintage shotgun that was built with 2 1/2" chambers or is proofed only for black powder, target loads are just fine. There are some semi-auto designs that won't cycle certain discount target loads.
 
It's all good.

Is there much downside to hunting upland game with discount target loads? I just picked up a couple boxes of winchester Super-Target 12ga 2 3/4'' 1145fps 1 1/8oz 7.5shot boxes, I couldnt pass up the price, 5$ for 25$. Do these types of shells handicap a hunter for grouse and the likes?

win_trgt12m7.jpg
 
Is there much downside to hunting upland game with discount target loads? I just picked up a couple boxes of winchester Super-Target 12ga 2 3/4'' 1145fps 1 1/8oz 7.5shot boxes, I couldnt pass up the price, 5$ for 25$. Do these types of shells handicap a hunter for grouse and the likes?

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Where are you getting them at $5 per 25??
 
Aside from patterning, velocity and pellet count, there are ejection issues with the cheaper target loads. Some of the lower cost target shells tend to expand in the chamber and cause ejection problems. Win. Universals (Canadian Tire) are for example, ones that I avoid.
 
Manufacturers should want to improve safety, reduce costs, and increase their business. Yet not one has noticed that they could produce 2 1/2" shells, lightly loaded at 7/8 oz., with a carefully balanced charge designed to push the load at approximately 1200 fps. These would improve safety overnight by being safer in older vintage guns. They would be cheaper to produce due to shorter cases and less lead and powder usage. And, I would think they'd find a ready market in Canada, where the upland hunter is all but ignored.

Well said. I know that RST was looking into Canada but I don't think anything has come of it yet.
 
Straight Shooter has passed on some good knowledge. As long as your target loads cycle and pattern okay in your gun your good to go. Some of the real el' cheapo shells will have there brass heads torn off in semi auto's which leaves you to digging the remaider of the case out of the chamber while the dog is flushing birds.

There is still alot of marketing BS undertaken by ammunition manufacturers.

Ducks and Geese aside this is what I use for partridge and pheasants.

In the north for close in (15 yds. and under thereabouts) partridge I used my Win. 101 .410 S&S choked. 2 1/2" with copper plated #6. Alot of partridge fell to that set up.

For pheasants in the 12 ga. Mod, & Imp cyl, choke 1 1/4 oz, of #6 at 1250fps. In the 20ga. mod. I use Win. & Rem dove loads in #6 @ #7 1/2. They patterned well out my gun. LeBarons had them on sale, so I bought several cases of each. Since they patterened so well it saved a hell of a pile of reloading. As long as you keep birds in the 40yd range it drops them.

I can't stress enough to pattern your gun with different loads, and or brands plus various shot sizes, and at various ranges, to see what works well out of "your" particular gun. Believe it or not each barrel patterns the same loads differently, sometimes alot differently.

Hope this helps a bit.
 
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I use #6 Federal Steel shot, chokes well and hits about as hard as #7 lead (I think). The stuff costs very little, I think I paid $9.00 for 25. 3 years later I still have 59 of the 75 rounds I purchased. Shows just how few bush chickens I've managed to bag :(
 
I use 7/8oz #8 shot over 18.1gr of 700x. This is the load I use for skeet sporting clays rabbit hunting and grouse hunting. I've also used it for pheasants and cleanly dropped a flying hen at 45 yards. Those cheap shells will work it they function in your gun
 
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